Speculation: Offseason Thread #10?: Whats the plan, Stan?

[Vinny DeAngelo]

At this point Stepan > kreider > Miller

Miller is highly overrated because he had one good month when he didn't look like hot garbage...

 

[chosen]

I'll be honest with you I'm not surprised.

Hayes was a God 12 months ago. Untouchable. Now he's getting packaged in deals left right and center.

I thought Hayes was easily my biggest disappointment of the past season. My hopes for him remain higher than my hopes for Kreider, but if Hayes look like last season again, I would have no problem dumping him

 

[chosen]

He is only 25. People really need to stop thinking a player's development is done at 21. Kreider graduated this summer which means he doesn't have that interfering with his play. I am sure he will get better and more consistent in the next 2 seasons.

You're not sure. You're hoping because you love him as a player. We all feel that way when we fall in love with a player.

 

[chosen]

Stepan does make positive contributions, but his ordinary footspeed holds back the guys with a motor.

Stepan has clearly been a better hockey player than Kreider, to date.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Stepan has clearly been a better hockey player than Kreider, to date.

Stepan has been better but Kreider has been good as well.

Stepan averages .26 goals per game and .45 assists per game.

Kreider averages .25 goals per game and .27 assists per game.

Kreider also throws in around 160 hits a season where as Stepan has only averaged around 35 hits per season in his last 3 seasons. Stepan threw a lot more hits in his first two seasons (83, 137). I'm not sure why his hit numbers have fallen off a cliff.

 

[Leetch3]

Brooks wrote an article yesterday basically ripping the leagues handling of second contracts and specifically the Panthers and how they handled their players coming off ELCs.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/09/how-panthers-show-aftershocks-of-nhls-erased-bridge-contracts/

the panthers aren't the only problem and its been going on since before the last lockout...slats seemed to be the only guy to play hardball on bridge deals. and its a big reason for salary inflation. no doubt it will be a topic in the next lockout

 

[Beer League Sniper]

There isn't even a comparison to be made between Stepan and Kreider, TBH.

Stepan plays the tougher position, and is better both offensively and defensively. He's such an easier guy to root for than Kreider is. Stepan is less athletically gifted in just about every way, but the man plays a smart, consistent game, and gives max effort on a game to game, as well as shift to shift basis.

Kreider plays a dumb game and disappears for large stretches. He hardly even uses his speed anymore. He's always had hands of stone, but he has all the tools to be a much more noticeable player than he currently is.

Stepan is making the most of his God given talent. Kreider isn't. I hope in time that he finds equilibrium.

Stepan is a much, much more valuable player at this point in time.

 

[Doctor King Schultz]

There isn't even a comparison to be made between Stepan and Kreider, TBH.

Stepan plays the tougher position, and is better both offensively and defensively. He's such an easier guy to root for than Kreider is. Stepan is less athletically gifted in just about every way, but the man plays a smart, consistent game, and gives max effort on a game to game, as well as shift to shift basis.

Kreider plays a dumb game and disappears for large stretches. He hardly even uses his speed anymore. He's always had hands of stone, but he has all the tools to be a much more noticeable player than he currently is.

Stepan is making the most of his God given talent. Kreider isn't. I hope in time that he finds equilibrium.

Stepan is a much, much more valuable player at this point in time.

My feelings exactly

 

[RangerBlues]

I doubt Kreider will ever be more than the player he is now.
A second liner when he actually shows up to play.

 

[Bluenote13]

I'm 6'3 225, from New England, played college hockey there, 44 points in 79 nhl games as a 24 yr old. Struggled with size, speed and scoring first few years in the league.

Who am I ??

 

[Mac n Gs]

I'll never understand how someone can say Stepan's plateaued while Kreider still has all the potential in the world.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I'll never understand how someone can say Stepan's plateaued while Kreider still has all the potential in the world.

I never understand why we waste time bashing the guys on our team that actually live up to their contracts. Almost all teams in the league would be happy to have guys like Kreider, Stepan, JT, Brass, Mcd, and Zooks based on their production and contracts.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I'm 6'3 225, from New England, played college hockey there, 44 points in 79 nhl games as a 24 yr old. Struggled with size, speed and scoring first few years in the league.

Who am I ??

Bluenote13

 

[Mac n Gs]

I never understand why we waste time bashing the guys on our team that actually live up to their contracts. Almost all teams in the league would be happy to have guys like Kreider, Stepan, JT, Brass, Mcd, and Zooks based on their production and contracts.

Agreed.

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

I'm 6'3 225, from New England, played college hockey there, 44 points in 79 nhl games as a 24 yr old. Struggled with size, speed and scoring first few years in the league.

Who am I ??

Leclair?

 

[Bluenote13]

Bluenote13

That I am. But I was pretending to be John Leclair.

He's the reason I wait one more year to see what Kreiders got.

 

[NickyFotiu]

That I am. But I was pretending to be John Leclair.

He's the reason I wait one more year to see what Kreiders got.

I see why you used Leclair in your post. I do not expect CK to be a John Leclair type scorer but I do expect CK to improve.

I think CK has set a baseline minimum of 20 goals-40 point player. I think he will be a 20-35 goal scorer for most of his career. His points will probably be in the 40-65 point range. When you throw in his 165 hits a year you have a pretty good player in this era's NHL.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

That I am. But I was pretending to be John Leclair.

He's the reason I wait one more year to see what Kreiders got.

To be fair, we don't have a Lindros for him to play with

 

[Bluenote13]

Kreider also has been under the spotlight since he was a teen, something Leclair really didn't have to deal with.

That said, CK needs to take a step forward this season, kid gloves are off.

 

[Bluenote13]

To be fair, we don't have a Lindros for him to play with

True, but that shouldn't matter, at his size and speed he can be a handful to deal with, which should open up room for others.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Kreider also has been under the spotlight since he was a teen, something Leclair really didn't have to deal with.

That said, CK needs to take a step forward this season, kid gloves are off.

I think Leclair was under a spotlight in MTL. MTL is sometimes tougher on their players than NY as hard as that is to believe.

 

[RangerBlues]

Putting hits on soft targets does not produce anything.

 

[NYR2007]

Any news on rangers as far as rumors trades etc ?

I can't believe they didn't address defense

And if they are gonna keep same D you gotta fire AV cause he's not gonna adjust his game plan

 

[Matz03]

I would consider moving Kreider to right wing this season. That would force him to change up his game a bit a open up his shot. Plus Stepan passing to him wouldn't be across his body anymore so maybe speed up that line.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Any news on rangers as far as rumors trades etc ?

I can't believe they didn't address defense

And if they are gonna keep same D you gotta fire AV cause he's not gonna adjust his game plan

Adressing the D and firing AV ain't gonna happen. At least for a long time. Maybe in 2017.

source: my intuition.