Little Fury
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That's pretty rude, frankly. You suggest bringing him in as PP Specialist. I fail to see how what would work seeing as he's not an NHL player.
Franson-type.
That's pretty rude, frankly. You suggest bringing him in as PP Specialist. I fail to see how what would work seeing as he's not an NHL player.
Would it?
Sekera - Larsson probably wouldn't produce at a much lower rate than Klefbom - Larsson in all honesty.
Nurse - Ristolainen on the other hand would outproduce leaps and bounds over Nurse - Larsson.
One for one, I'd have to make that trade. It'd give us some balance back there for the first time since '08.
My mistake, does Chris Wideman fit that bill in your estimation?Franson-type.
My mistake, does Chris Wideman fit that bill in your estimation?
Well, he's got 9 PP points in his career so not really. Even Franson had 4 pp points in just 23 games this season. i'm not sure what that player looks like TBH. I had some ideas, but all were LH shots.
Honestly, instead of focusing on finding a RH shot for the PP, they should look at changing the PP set up.
Here is the comparison between RR and the 3 young Oilers D over the last 2 seasons. He is tied for 2nd with Nurse for 5x5 points (in 600 more minutes). His points/60 is a lot closer to Larsson than it is to Klefbom. Primary points wise (which I value a lot), Klefbom blows him out of the water and Nurse is noticeably above. Again, he falls into Larsson category.
From a possession standpoint, his number are incredibly worse. But have to take into account how bad Buffalo is. However, even from a relative POV, his possession compared to his teammates is still noticeably worse than the 3 Oilers. Quality of competition wise, its likely harder than Klefbom and Larsson (forsure Nurse), but not by much
So 5x5 wise I would have no issue calling him the worst of the bunch. PP wise though hes first. But have to weigh how much you value being good on the PP and how much you think it can transfer over, or how much of it is team influenced (I honestly don't know). Id just be hesistant to acquire someone who produces Larsson level of offense 5x5 with much worse defensive ability and who lives on the PP. The best comparison is Cody Franson
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would be interesting to see their zone exit stats and ratios for stopping a zone entry. Something Nurse is excellent at, and Larsson and Klefbom when healthy the year before we're also really good at.
Well, he's got 9 PP points in his career so not really. Even Franson had 4 pp points in just 23 games this season. i'm not sure what that player looks like TBH. I had some ideas, but all were LH shots.
Honestly, instead of focusing on finding a RH shot for the PP, they should look at changing the PP set up.
you have to look at the context of RR use. Last year, his most common partner by far was Scandela. They always faced the other teams top line and defencemen despite having very poor goaltending and forwards on the ice with them. Scandela is OK but is very very close to being the same player as Russel
2 years ago, Scandela was 5th in TOI / game for Minnesota dmen. That is his role on a decnet team - 3rd pairing. Despite coming from a good team and being a ufa in a very lucrative market, he got the same 4,000,000 contract as Russel. Imagine how poorly RR numbers would look if the Sabers signed Russel instead and played him on the top paring with RR.
Precisely. We're talking about a player who is among the NHL's league leaders in ice-time on the league's worst offensive team. They're putting this guy out against everyone's big guys. The Oilers have Adam Larsson for that.
you have to look at the context of RR use. Last year, his most common partner by far was Scandela. They always faced the other teams top line and defencemen despite having very poor goaltending and forwards on the ice with them. Scandela is OK but is very very close to being the same player as Russel
2 years ago, Scandela was 5th in TOI / game for Minnesota dmen. That is his role on a decnet team - 3rd pairing. Despite coming from a good team and being a ufa in a very lucrative market, he got the same 4,000,000 contract as Russel. Imagine how poorly RR numbers would look if the Sabers signed Russel instead and played him on the top paring with RR.
you have to look at the context of RR use. Last year, his most common partner by far was Scandela. They always faced the other teams top line and defencemen despite having very poor goaltending and forwards on the ice with them. Scandela is OK but is very very close to being the same player as Russel
2 years ago, Scandela was 5th in TOI / game for Minnesota dmen. That is his role on a decnet team - 3rd pairing. Despite coming from a good team and being a ufa in a very lucrative market, he got the same 4,000,000 contract as Russel. Imagine how poorly RR numbers would look if the Sabers signed Russel instead and played him on the top paring with RR.
And Buffalo is not trading Risto fro Klefbom alone. The Oilers would be adding something significant to get them to move.Risto would be a solid add for the Oilers but if you are giving up Klef you are making the team worse overall. That's all there is to it.
I don't agree with that. The overall offensive production you'd get out of Rasmus Ristolainen would exceed what you're getting out of Oscar Klefbom. And considering the lack of viable options at the RD position, a one-for-one swap would be extremely beneficial to us considering our current depth on the left side. Worst case is a push and you're still getting the younger, more physical defenseman.Risto would be a solid add for the Oilers but if you are giving up Klef you are making the team worse overall. That's all there is to it.
And Buffalo is not trading Risto fro Klefbom alone. The Oilers would be adding something significant to get them to move.
I don't agree with that. The overall offensive production you'd get out of Rasmus Ristolainen would exceed what you're getting out of Oscar Klefbom. And considering the lack of viable options at the RD position, a one-for-one swap would be extremely beneficial to us considering our current depth on the left side. Worst case is a push and you're still getting the younger, more physical defenseman.
you have to look at the context of RR use. Last year, his most common partner by far was Scandela. They always faced the other teams top line and defencemen despite having very poor goaltending and forwards on the ice with them. Scandela is OK but is very very close to being the same player as Russel
2 years ago, Scandela was 5th in TOI / game for Minnesota dmen. That is his role on a decnet team - 3rd pairing. Despite coming from a good team and being a ufa in a very lucrative market, he got the same 4,000,000 contract as Russel. Imagine how poorly RR numbers would look if the Sabers signed Russel instead and played him on the top paring with RR.
I don't agree with that. The overall offensive production you'd get out of Rasmus Ristolainen would exceed what you're getting out of Oscar Klefbom. And considering the lack of viable options at the RD position, a one-for-one swap would be extremely beneficial to us considering our current depth on the left side. Worst case is a push and you're still getting the younger, more physical defenseman.
And Buffalo is not trading Risto fro Klefbom alone. The Oilers would be adding something significant to get them to move.
Precisely. We're talking about a player who is among the NHL's league leaders in ice-time on the league's worst offensive team. They're putting this guy out against everyone's big guys. The Oilers have Adam Larsson for that.
Madness.
I'd say the offensive production is more or less a wash, but even if Klef's production is slightly lower, he's much better at 5 on 5 than Risto at both ends of the rink. What's more, Moving Klef means you end up playing nurse or Sekera in the top LHD slot, a position neither are particularly well suited for. So no, I don't see how trading an asset like Klefbom for a second pairing (at best) D man who needs heavy sheltering to succeed is a win for the Oilers unless they are also adding a real top pairing LHD somewhere.