Speculation: Offseason coaching thread: Should they stay or should they go?

[Darren McCord]

If dubas can trade Sullivan for a first or second that would be amazing

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Yohe can chime in all his wants but when has he ever had legit sources? Dude hasn't broken a single trade or signing in his Pens career that I can think of. Even Rossi has broken a few moves. If Rossi reported there was no rift I'd maybe be more inclined to believe it. Yohe though? Eh whatever.

That said Seravalli also kinda sucks.

Yeah, I think it's interesting that the only power struggle/rift comments have come from Seravalli, who is clearly not the reporter he was several years ago, and Weekes, who is all about social media engagement and also doesn't have a perfect track record. There is also Kypreos, who is terrible, speculating on Sullivan to the Devils.

Everyone else has been far more reserved and cautious about describing anything.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

I am 40 and have been a fan of the Pens since 93. Granted, I was a kid then, but I've only followed more closely as I've gotten older. That's 31 years.

I had no idea you could trade a coach.

In fact, I thought you COULDN'T trade coaches.

 

[vikingGoalie]

Taking this as a "firing" at face value, Vellucci has this upcoming season left on his contract.

actually his contract is up as well. they gotta let him go as well, in charge of the forward group and once again a laughably low conversion rate on shots.

 

[Khelandros]

Yohe can chime in all his wants but when has he ever had legit sources? Dude hasn't broken a single trade or signing in his Pens career that I can think of. Even Rossi has broken a few moves. If Rossi reported there was no rift I'd maybe be more inclined to believe it. Yohe though? Eh whatever.

That said Seravalli also kinda sucks.

Seravalli is also a noted Crosby hater, there by a Penguins hater by association.

actually his contract is up as well. they gotta let him go as well, in charge of the forward group and once again a laughably low conversion rate on shots.

They both signed 2 year extensions at the same time. If Reirdon got fired that means he had another season left, so does Vellucci.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If dubas can trade Sullivan for a first or second that would be amazing

Pardon my ignorance but this can still be done? I knew at one point they could but I wasn't sure if it had been CBA'd out, since.

That would rule. Can you imagine getting a first or even second round pick for a coach?!?

These guys are like used car salesmen that used to play hockey once upon a time. Talk about getting a bunch of something for a bunch of nothing.

 

[Pancakes]

Yeah, I think it's interesting that the only power struggle/rift comments have come from Seravalli, who is clearly not the reporter he was several years ago, and Weekes, who is all about social media engagement and also doesn't have a perfect track record. There is also Kypreos, who is terrible, speculating on Sullivan to the Devils.

Everyone else has been far more reserved and cautious about describing anything.

I do think it's important to keep in mind the nature of the comments made.

Yohe doesn't have true insider sources, so we can take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

Weekes' comments were purely speculative. Yes it'd be cool if the Pens traded Sully. We'd all love it. But that was just Weekes speculating.

Seravalli claimed there's a rift, but Seravalli is also the same guy who said Dubas turned down the Pens job. I don't trust him with Pens news at the moment.

I wish I could say where there's smoke there's fire (as it pertains to Sullivan) but it's just not the case. Nobody has anything on this.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Seravalli's quality of work has faded as quickly and as precipitously as his youth has and generally acts like the Penguins stole his 60 year old girlfriend or something so he's basically useless at least to us.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I do think it's important to keep in mind the nature of the comments made.

Yohe doesn't have true insider sources, so we can take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

Weekes' comments were purely speculative. Yes it'd be cool if the Pens traded Sully. We'd all love it. But that was just Weekes speculating.

Seravalli claimed there's a rift, but Seravalli is also the same guy who said Dubas turned down the Pens job. I don't trust him with Pens news at the moment.

I wish I could say where there's smoke there's fire (as it pertains to Sullivan) but it's just not the case. Nobody has anything on this.

Completely agree. I'm at the point where unless management/coaching news is coming from Friedman and LeBrun, I'm skeptical. Those are the only two who truly seem to have any Pens access at all when it comes to news other than free agents and trades.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Seravalli's quality of work has faded as quickly and as precipitously as his youth has and generally acts like the Penguins stole his 60 year old girlfriend or something so he's basically useless at least to us.

To be fair he was always useless to me as is pretty much 98.9999999999999999999999999999999999998% of planet earth's population.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

Seravalli's quality of work has faded as quickly and as precipitously as his youth has and generally acts like the Penguins stole his 60 year old girlfriend or something so he's basically useless at least to us.

That he’s younger than Sid is still insane to me.

 

[shakes the clown]

you guys fired my high school defense partner. Not cool guys, not cool

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

you guys fired my high school defense partner. Not cool guys, not cool

Was he as much of a power play savant then as he is now?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

you guys fired my high school defense partner. Not cool guys, not cool

He probably wouldn't even be able to coach a high school team's powerplay.

 

[Empoleon8771]

That Yohe report pumping up Reirden as "one of the best assistant coaches in hockey" was painful to read.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

That he’s younger than Sid is still insane to me.

It's seriously kind of shocking. I'm 44 and I look like a fresh-faced 20something next to him.

Dude looks like he picked the wrong Grail or something.

 

[SEALBound]

Seravalli's quality of work has faded as quickly and as precipitously as his youth has and generally acts like the Penguins stole his 60 year old girlfriend or something so he's basically useless at least to us.

He's in a tough line of work. I don't think there are many moles in the Pens org anymore that are willing to speak openly about the current situation. I imagine it's a situation that is being kept pretty close to home with the involved parties. To get someone to talk on it AND be willing to tell Seravalli (or ANY "insider" for that matter) knowing full well it will be broadcast to the world, is tough.

It's like, there can be arguments between Dubas and Sully, hell they can end in screaming matches. Then it could be reported with rampant speculation but if they patch things up and nothing happens, it doesn't negate the initial report that an argument occurred. No different than trade rumors. Teams talk all the time. There can be a rumor of a trade discussion that doesn't come to fruition. Happens all the time. The report of the discussion is true and the fact that it doesn't happen doesn't mean it wasn't accurate reporting.

The entire hockey world has a really weird and often arbitrary way of establishing credibility with "insiders".

I think the best we can do here is merely say "where there is smoke, there is likely fire". Who knows what happens. Good news is that one coach is already gone. That's a start. That's SOMETHING.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

you guys fired my high school defense partner. Not cool guys, not cool

What can we say? Sucks to suck.

 

[SEALBound]

It's seriously kind of shocking. I'm 44 and I look like a fresh-faced 20something next to him.

Dude looks like he picked the wrong Grail or something.

he sold his soul to the Devil for mediocre access to inside NHL information.

 

[shakes the clown]

Was he as much of a power play savant then as he is now?

back then he was QB'ing the PP, not coaching it. Back then he was about 6'6 and weighed about 170 pounds soaking wet, but he had an absolute cannon of a shot. Put one off our goalie's mask in practice and dented the mask in about an inch. had more hair too lol.

Not sure what happened this year with your PP, didn't follow your team at all. Guess we'll see how the PP does next year before we can definitively decide if it was the coaching or the players.

 

[Andy99]

Seravalli is also a noted Crosby hater, there by a Penguins hater by association.



They both signed 2 year extensions at the same time. If Reirdon got fired that means he had another season left, so does Vellucci.

Not necessarily…their contracts aren’t up until July 1

 

[Factorial]

Yohe is also a vehement Sullivan defender. Anything Yohe says I take with a grain of salt in how he is trying to cover for Sully. I think that's exactly what's happening here. Protecting Sullivan from a rapid fan base that is increasingly growing tired of his shit.

Or you just want to believe there are problems between MS and KD.

 

[Andy99]

Sullivan better be next…

 

[Lustaf]

Frank you f***ing cock tease.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Seravalli's quality of work has faded as quickly and as precipitously as his youth has and generally acts like the Penguins stole his 60 year old girlfriend or something so he's basically useless at least to us.

All you really need to know about Seravalli is that he went on a 10 minute heated rage because Sid skipped a few all-star game events but then said we should give the benefit of the doubt to the poor misunderstood kid when it came to re-instating Logan Mailloux.