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tarheelhockey

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I 100% agree that if the allegation about Schiano having knowledge turned out to be true, that indeed should follow him. But we'll probably never know either way and at this point all we have is one comment from McQueary said while he wasn't under oath. Bradley denied McQueary's claim under oath FWIW.

But, anyways, we're talking about UT here. This is a fanbase that thinks Peyton Manning is god despite him having a sexual harassment allegation attached to him during his tenure at UT and a fanbase that was silent when Butch Jones called a player a 'traitor' for helping a woman who was sexually assaulted by two other UT football players. It's very easy to see past their fake moral outrage to see what they were really upset about. They gave it away today when they painted over the rock from "Schiano covered up child rape" to "Wrong Bucs coach".

I really doubt we’re really talking about a single hive-mind here. “UT fans” is millions of people who have little in common other than their fandom. Did the same ones who painted the rock yesterday also re-paint it today? Were the same 100 people who protested the Schiano hire REALLY silent about the Jones comment?

Of course, anyone who has actually played both sides of this coin is despicable.

I agree with F-WOAT that the worst look of all comes from the administration. If this was all a problem for them, they never should have approved hiring him. If it’s not a problem, they have no business backing out. The worst possible thing is to act one way until people start calling them out, then waffle and go the other direction.

As for Schiano, the nature of the accusation makes it he-said-she-said. But in the court of common sense, when a guy says a bunch of unbelievable stuff at risk of his own future and credibility and then turns out to be right, and one of those claims is that Person A knew about it all along, that’s something you take a bit more seriously than water cooler hearsay. There’s pretty good reason to believe it’s true that Schiano looked the other way on Sandusky.
 

Sens1Canes2

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I really doubt we’re really talking about a single hive-mind here. “UT fans” is millions of people who have little in common other than their fandom. Did the same ones who painted the rock yesterday also re-paint it today? Were the same 100 people who protested the Schiano hire REALLY silent about the Jones comment?

Of course, anyone who has actually played both sides of this coin is despicable.

I agree with F-WOAT that the worst look of all comes from the administration. If this was all a problem for them, they never should have approved hiring him. If it’s not a problem, they have no business backing out. The worst possible thing is to act one way until people start calling them out, then waffle and go the other direction.

As for Schiano, the nature of the accusation makes it he-said-she-said. But in the court of common sense, when a guy says a bunch of unbelievable stuff at risk of his own future and credibility and then turns out to be right, and one of those claims is that Person A knew about it all along, that’s something you take a bit more seriously than water cooler hearsay. There’s pretty good reason to believe it’s true that Schiano looked the other way on Sandusky.
I'm not one to side with media....but the media literally en Masse today sided with Schiano. And in THIS culture, the 2017 "an allegation means it's the truth" culture, that's saying something.

Im quite surprised you're on the other side of this.
 

DaveG

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I'm honestly of mind that there MAY be some that legitimately believe the allegations. But that also said, in this case, that's absolutely not what this is about. Vols vans legit drank the kool-aid that Gruden would actually consider the position which frankly is flat out laughable. And the over-reaction to getting Schiano was all too expected with that being the case. Quite frankly they need to realize where they're at as a program, and that's a hell of a lot further removed from national relevance then they realize. Frankly they remind me of where Pitt was as a program in the 90s, only with more delusion to their relevance in the grand scheme of things.
 

tarheelhockey

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I'm not one to side with media....but the media literally en Masse today sided with Schiano. And in THIS culture, the 2017 "an allegation means it's the truth" culture, that's saying something.

Im quite surprised you're on the other side of this.

To be perfectly honest, the media reaction is basically just “won’t someone think about the football!?”
 

tarheelhockey

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Completely disagree.

I mean, what’s the media take on this?

- OMG Tennessee fans are disgraceful, they’re hurting their program!

- OMG Schiano is a good coach he doesn’t deserve this!

It’s all football motivated, just like the angry fan reaction. But personally, I really don’t give a **** about the football side of it. I couldn’t care less about the UT football program or Schiano’s job prospects.

To me, it’s an issue of a guy continuing to get career advancement opportunities working with youth after allegedly *wink* *wink* looking the other way while his his coworker routinely molested children,while a major university’s administration signs off on hiring such a person until they turncoat in the face of fan pressure. There’s a black hole of integrity forming around the whole issue.

So when the media talking heads start yammering about how people shouldn’t be allowed to express moral indignance about the issue, I reflexively have a reaction along the lines of “oh **** off”.
 

garnetpalmetto

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I'm honestly of mind that there MAY be some that legitimately believe the allegations. But that also said, in this case, that's absolutely not what this is about. Vols vans legit drank the kool-aid that Gruden would actually consider the position which frankly is flat out laughable. And the over-reaction to getting Schiano was all too expected with that being the case. Quite frankly they need to realize where they're at as a program, and that's a hell of a lot further removed from national relevance then they realize. Frankly they remind me of where Pitt was as a program in the 90s, only with more delusion to their relevance in the grand scheme of things.

You're not wrong. The thing is, they're experiencing a radical paradigm shift that they're unprepared for and that sort of shift can rock a fanbase to its foundations. You've got the fifth-largest stadium in the US and have the highest home-field win total in college football for any school at its current home field. You have 6 national championships, 13 conference championships, and 5 division championships to your name. For years after the SEC expanded in the early '90s, the SEC East race was between Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia with occasional incursions by South Carolina or Kentucky into that mix.

Then, starting in 2010, things began to change and increasingly you're on the outside looking in as South Carolina becomes more of a threat and they take the place you once had. Sure there had been years before where you fielded bad teams and the division pecking order deviated from what you were used to, but this? 5 consecutive years of losing records in conference and 4 consecutive years of losing records. Your best finish is 4th in 2010 and in 2014 and at your lowest point you finish last in the division in 2011 and next to last in 2012 and 2013. But then in 2015 the ship is righted - 2nd in the division once again! Clearly it was coaching. Or a rebuilding year. Or getting adapted to an even bigger SEC once Mizzou and A&M joined. It's one of those things, but it doesn't matter - you have something to pin it on. 2016 again brings a 2nd place finish. But then the bottom falls out again. You're better than this - you know it. You remember guys like Manning and Berry on the field as you sang "Rocky Top" at the top of your lungs. This was a program with prestige. The worst jokes that could be hurled at you were Spurrier's throw-away jokes about Peyton wanting to be a 3-time Citrus Bowl MVP or not being able to spell Citrus without "UT." Now? You'd kill for bowl eligibility. It's been a decade since you've been to the SEC Championship. It's hard to admit that maybe your program has lost some luster, so of course, the old excuses have to come back. Coaching. We're a prestigious program, we just need the right coach to whip us into shape again. We can land Gruden, why wouldn't he want to come to Rocky Top? We've got the facilities, we've got the fans, and we've got the boosters.

Next year will be interesting for Tennessee fans, I think. Whomever the new coach is there will, IMO, be on an incredibly short leash with the fans and if he doesn't almost immediately return the Vols to the top tier of the SEC, he'll be in trouble - but, in so doing, Tennessee's program will likely crater even further as coaches become reluctant to take on a job with boosters with unreal expectations who aren't shy about firing you if you fail to meet them.
 

Sens1Canes2

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I mean, what’s the media take on this?

- OMG Tennessee fans are disgraceful, they’re hurting their program!

- OMG Schiano is a good coach he doesn’t deserve this!

It’s all football motivated, just like the angry fan reaction. But personally, I really don’t give a **** about the football side of it. I couldn’t care less about the UT football program or Schiano’s job prospects.

To me, it’s an issue of a guy continuing to get career advancement opportunities working with youth after allegedly *wink* *wink* looking the other way while his his coworker routinely molested children,while a major university’s administration signs off on hiring such a person until they turncoat in the face of fan pressure. There’s a black hole of integrity forming around the whole issue.

So when the media talking heads start yammering about how people shouldn’t be allowed to express moral indignance about the issue, I reflexively have a reaction along the lines of “oh **** off”.

I mean, if you think one person (McQueary) saying that he *heard* that another person (Bradley, who denied it) was told that Schiano knew about it is "wink wink" allegedly, that's a you problem. That is the ONLY reference to Schiano in the entire ordeal. And it was brought to bear by someone who trying to get money out of Penn St.

I just think it's kind of repugnant to say that someone "enabled child rape," on a national media scale, with zero evidence.

Silly me.
 

tarheelhockey

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I mean, if you think one person (McQueary) saying that he *heard* that another person (Bradley, who denied it) was told that Schiano knew about it is "wink wink" allegedly, that's a you problem. That is the ONLY reference to Schiano in the entire ordeal. And it was brought to bear by someone who trying to get money out of Penn St.

I just think it's kind of repugnant to say that someone "enabled child rape," on a national media scale, with zero evidence.

Silly me.

I mean, it’s not like McQueary didn’t blow the lid off a major molestation scandal directly relating to those incidents. It’s not like the people who had a direct hand in covering up that scandal didn’t, to a man, deny any involvement until the evidence was stacked up too high to be denied. It’s not like that scandal didn’t reach across the entire Penn State football office, down to the dang secretary keeping files on what was going on.

Yeah, sure, Schiano was never “proven” to have known anything about it. I’m sure McQueary just made that detailed memory up out of thin air, in the middle of telling the truth about all the other stuff.
 

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HisIceness

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My weekend predictions:

Clemson beats Miami in a blow-out.
Georgia beats Auburn in a close one.
Oklahoma beats TCU by 2 TD's or more
Wisconsin outlasts Ohio State in OT

So, there's your playoff teams from my perspective. Who gets seeded where I don't know.
 

garnetpalmetto

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I feel like this should've been their plan before any of the people they've tried to go after

Sumlin's not a sexy enough pick, plus he just got fired by another SEC school. That's totally not what the boosters in their hunter's vest orange are looking for (again, going back to how they've deluded themselves into thinking Tennessee's still a premiere program that topflight talent will willingly choose).
 

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