GDT: Official 2017 #hcanes NCAA Football Thread

DaveG

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It'll still be a more desirable destination than Rocky Top when all is said and done. Tennessee has been a dumpster fire since they tossed out Phil Fulmer and they just haven't found the guy since the Great Pumpkin left. Florida, at least, has had more recent success than that.
Yep, Florida has had its problems, but two midwestern guys that were a bad fit doesn't make it any less of a destination program.

Tennessee on the other hand has taken about 2 decades to go from borderline destination program to dumpster fire.
 
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Brock Anton

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IMO, Florida needs to make Bob Stoops say no. He’s the easy #1 target due to his past history at UF and his continued relationship with Spurrier. If/when he decides to stay retired, go all out for Scott Frost before Nebraska cans Riley.
 

garnetpalmetto

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That time again, gang. I'll add Duke since A) They're a Triangle school and B) We have a few people who like them

UNC
Bonagura - Not bowl eligible
Hale - Not bowl eligible
College Football News - Not bowl eligible

NC State
Bonagura - Citrus Bowl (vs. Auburn)
Hale - Camping World Bowl (vs. Iowa State)
College Football News - Citrus Bowl (vs. LSU)

Duke
Bonagura - Not bowl eligible
Hale - Not bowl eligible
College Football News - Not bowl eligible

Wake Forest

Bonagura - Belk Bowl (vs. South Carolina)
Hale - Independence Bowl (vs. Wyoming)
College Football News - Military Bowl (vs. Navy)

ECU
Bonagura - Not bowl eligible
Hale - Not bowl eligible
College Football News - Not bowl eligible

App State
Bonagura - New Orleans Bowl (vs. FIU)
Hale - Arizona Bowl (vs. Utah State)
College Football News - Cure Bowl (vs. Western Michigan)

South Carolina
Bonagura - Belk Bowl (vs. Wake Forest)
Hale - TaxSlayer Bowl (vs. Virginia Tech)
College Football News - Belk Bowl (vs. Georgia Tech)

Florida
Bonagura - Not bowl eligible
Hale - Not bowl eligible
College Football News - Not bowl eligible

West Virginia
Bonagura - Camping World Bowl (vs. Virginia Tech)
Hale - Texas Bowl (vs. Texas A&M)
College Football News - Liberty Bowl (vs. Kentucky)

Georgia Tech
Bonagura - Not bowl eligible
Hale - Military Bowl (vs. Navy)
College Football News - Belk Bowl (vs. South Carolina)

Virginia Tech
Bonagura - Camping World Bowl (vs. West Virginia)
Hale - TaxSlayer Bowl (vs. South Carolina)
College Football News - Camping World Bowl (vs. Oklahoma State)

Clemson
Bonagura - Orange Bowl (vs. Wisconsin)
Hale - Sugar Bowl (vs. Georgia) & National Championship (vs. Alabama)
College Football News - Rose Bowl (vs. Georgia)
 
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DaveG

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I've found a preview of the halftime show


What does Georgia have to do with this? :sarcasm:

A West Virginia/Kentucky bowl seems appealing for reasons not known to me.
Rematch of the Millennium
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tarheelhockey

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A West Virginia/Kentucky bowl seems appealing for reasons not known to me.

The majority of bowl games are so unappealing that I wonder why they don't completely reform the system.

I mean just look at the list above... NC State was legit good this year and might end up playing Iowa State in the Camping World Bowl? I honestly might not even watch that and I actually somewhat care how they do.
 
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garnetpalmetto

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The majority of bowl games are so unappealing that I wonder why they don't completely reform the system.

I mean just look at the list above... NC State was legit good this year and might end up playing Iowa State in the Camping World Bowl? I honestly might not even watch that and I actually somewhat care how they do.

Camping World's actually a fairly decent bowl, THH. It's the former Champs Sports Bowl and it gets the #2 or #3 ACC team. I think somebody asked about this earlier but here's the bowl hierarchy for the ACC

#1 - College Football Playoff. ACC Champion (or best available team if champion is in the Playoffs) goes to the Orange Bowl. ACC plays the highest ranked non-champion team among the Big Ten, SEC, and Notre Dame. If it is the Big Ten, the ACC will also take the Big Ten's spot in the Citrus Bowl.

#2 - Citrus Bowl (only if Big Ten is selected for the Orange Bowl)

#2/#3 - Camping World Bowl (versus Big 12)

Tier #1
#3/#4 - Music City Bowl or the TaxSlayer Bowl (versus SEC) (TaxSlayer has ACC priority if both bowls desire an ACC team)

#4/#5 - Belk Bowl (versus SEC)

#5/#6 - Sun Bowl (versus Pac-12)

#6/#7 - Pinstripe Bowl (versus Big Ten)

Tier #2
#7/#8 - Military Bowl (versus AAC)
#8/#9 - Independence Bowl (versus SEC)
#9/#10 - Quick Lane Bowl (versus Big Ten)

Conditional Agreements
Gasparilla Bowl (if no AAC or C-USA team available)
Birmingham Bowl (if no AAC or SEC team available)
 
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DaveG

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Iowa State's actually pretty good tho, it's more about name recognition then anything I get that, but they're legit. They beat TCU in Ames and OU in f***ing Norman, nobody does that if they're not that good.
 
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tarheelhockey

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I'm not saying Iowa State isn't good, I'm saying the Camping World Bowl with NC State against Iowa State is about as exciting as FIU vs App in the New Orleans Bowl. It's a bragging point that nobody cares about, or a loss that you forget ever even happened.
 
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garnetpalmetto

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I'm not saying Iowa State isn't good, I'm saying the Camping World Bowl with NC State against Iowa State is about as exciting as FIU vs App in the New Orleans Bowl. It's a bragging point that nobody cares about, or a loss that you forget ever even happened.

Again though, generally speaking it's the 2nd best bowl an ACC team can go to. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially considering State went to one of the lower tiered bowls last year in the Independence Bowl. The name may not seem sexy (and if anything I blame the proliferation of bowl naming rights and some downright silly sponsors, looking at you Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl) but the bowl itself is a solid draw.
 
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tarheelhockey

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Again though, generally speaking it's the 2nd best bowl an ACC team can go to. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially considering State went to one of the lower tiered bowls last year in the Independence Bowl. The name may not seem sexy (and if anything I blame the proliferation of bowl naming rights and some downright silly sponsors, looking at you Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl) but the bowl itself is a solid draw.

I'm just saying, I'd rather beat Carolina twice than play a bowl game with no real attachment or meaning.

The only things truly on the line in NCSU/ISU are 1) bragging rights to winning your last game of the season, and 2) bragging rights to the ACC beating the Big 12 (for some reason that you'd be challenged to find even one fan at a bar who's hardcore enough to genuinely care about). 1 can come against anyone, 2 is totally artificial.

If they're going to have eleventy bazillion bowls, they may as well just line up conference rivals against each other. Or regional rivals, like the southeastern conferences against each other. Or something. Really anything that would leave a lasting impression. I mean I just looked it up and NC State has played Iowa State ONE time since they both started playing football in 1892. It couldn't be any less meaningful of a game, other than just not wanting to end on a losing note.
 
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garnetpalmetto

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I'm just saying, I'd rather beat Carolina twice than play a bowl game with no real attachment or meaning.

The only things truly on the line in NCSU/ISU are 1) bragging rights to winning your last game of the season, and 2) bragging rights to the ACC beating the Big 12 (for some reason that you'd be challenged to find even one fan at a bar who's hardcore enough to genuinely care about). 1 can come against anyone, 2 is totally artificial.

If they're going to have eleventy bazillion bowls, they may as well just line up conference rivals against each other. Or regional rivals, like the southeastern conferences against each other. Or something. Really anything that would leave a lasting impression. I mean I just looked it up and NC State has played Iowa State ONE time since they both started playing football in 1892. It couldn't be any less meaningful of a game, other than just not wanting to end on a losing note.

I can understand your point, THH. Maybe it's my SEC fandom but I'd rather South Carolina get to the best bowl they can get and take on the best team from another conference they can take on. I agree that ACC/SEC rivalries are fun (especially for South Carolina being an ex-ACC team) but I want to see how my team fares against the best competition they can get in another conference. There may not be a historical rivalry between South Carolina and, say, Virginia Tech or Michigan State and we may never play them with any regularity but that's what makes it all the more appealing to me - it's a team we otherwise normally wouldn't play and a chance to see how we measure up against a similarly positioned school in another conference.
 
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DaveG

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I can get onboard with that line of thought a bit Tarheel. Having the games be more regionally considered would be a lot more fun, only thing is that there's really only 5 major conferences anymore. Was a lot easier to get that worked out in the days of the old Big East where you could easily have 3 Big East vs ACC bowl games and nobody would blink because that was usually something like WVU-UVa, VT-NC State, Miami-Clemson or FSU.

The flip side of that is in a big way I liked getting to play and beat teams we never played. Oklahoma (can't say I expected that conference move), Ole Miss, Georgia Tech, etc. Then again WVU had a habit of scheduling interesting OOC games in my time there after Rich Rod took over. Since then, OOC, they've played a home and home with Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Florida State, VT (after they left the Big East), Mississippi State, LSU, Auburn, Colorado, Missouri, and neutral sites vs Bama, VT, BYU, and (coming next season) Tennessee.
 
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DaveG

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I'd prefer folding them by giving various programs there the Death Penalty until only a few remain, which can then be distributed to the other 3 conferences.

Penn State ceasing to exist should be obvious. Obviously we fold Ohio State as well. The question is whether to fold Michigan or send them to the ACC.

I figure we can send Maryland back to the ACC for the lulz, and maybe send Rutgers unless the ACC would prefer UConn or UMass (which... why wouldn't you), unless we don't fold Michigan
Big 12 can take back Nebraska (again, for the lulz), and also add Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, and Michigan State to get us to 16 because f*** math.
SEC can take... who gives a shit, they could take Illinois and Indiana and they'd still be uberhyped because SECSECSEC
AAC gets to take Illinois and Purdue, for the lulz. And maybe Rutgers as well.
 
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