GDT: Official 2013 Draft Day thread IV: Oilers take Nurse @7. MacT adds all the picks

[Tad Mikowsky]

Oh ya, I forgot the 2013 NHL Entry Draft was the last draft in NHL history. Shoot, screw you MacT.

But....people who say that are management shills!

 

[Raab]

In hindsight, turning 1 2nd rounder into 5 later round picks was a good choice considering our lack of 3rd and 4th round picks in the draft.

I think we have a better chance with the 5 guys we got than the 1 guy we would have gotten otherwise. I think it was good asset management and I really like the move, especially considering a couple of guys we got (slepyshev and Yakimov in particular). And we still got Roy, who looks like a good pick.

Edit: Also for anyone interested, 87 Canada cup is on TSN2 right now, fantastic hockey, so much skill on display, really amazing stuff.

How many Russians has there been on the last 4 Stanley cup champs? Why were picking Russians I don't know because you don't win championships with them.

 

[McOilers97]

Oh ya, I forgot the 2013 NHL Entry Draft was the last draft in NHL history. Shoot, screw you MacT.

Agreed, pretty sure that there would be some value in our 2014 picks. And if a trade with Boston for Peverley/Boychuk could involve guys like Marancin then there are still some valuable pieces to include in a trade.

 

[rasarhdasd]

How many Russians has there been on the last 4 Stanley cup champs? Why were picking Russians I don't know because you don't win championships with them.

This is just stupid.

 

[The Nuge]

How many Russians has there been on the last 4 Stanley cup champs? Why were picking Russians I don't know because you don't win championships with them.

Ya that Malkin guy sure sucks. He'll never win a Conn Smythe! Oh wait

 

[Jtown]

I really hope we trade Nurse + Paajarvi + for Coburn + Couts.

Nurse is who the Flyers wanted to draft anyway, and I have no qualms about trading a defenseman who'll be ready in 4 years.

Nurse is the guy we wanted . But homer has said couts and schenn are off limits.

Coburn for nurse. That is neither a win lose situation for either team. In the mean time the oilers get a great mobile defeseman that can play all the hard minutes at 4.5 mill a year. Potentially can play at a top level till he is 35. For nurse a prospect whose ceiling is a bit higher scoring than coburn and potentially slightly better defensively because of his attitude.

I can see the the pros and cons for both sides. It is very hard to find a similar trade. Brian campbell was traded for a 1st and a young prospect on an expiring deal.

and Burns who is more gifted offensively than Coburn yet have put up similar even strength numbers received a first round pick a top 6 30 g forward and a top prospect. And Burns makes more than coburn.

I think edm would be smart to keep nurse and let all the young guys develop at the same age range, and the flyers would be smart to keep Coburn because our d will be god awful without him and i see him being one the nhl's best bargains.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

How many Russians has there been on the last 4 Stanley cup champs? Why were picking Russians I don't know because you don't win championships with them.

I know you conveniently said last four Stanley cups because you want to leave out this scum russian guy.

Can't win with them at all.

Also, you seem to forget about the back to back cups with the Wings. They had the Russian Five.

TLDR; Basing a team off nationality is one of the stupidest reaching points you can make. It's almost saying that you should get Slovenians cause they know how to win the cup.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Guys why did we draft Yakupov? We will never win a cup with a Russian.

 

[nexttothemoon]

How many Russians has there been on the last 4 Stanley cup champs? Why were picking Russians I don't know because you don't win championships with them.

Ya that's not a very smart analysis.

List of Europeans (many of them Russians) who have won a Stanley Cup:

Just up to 2004:

http://www.internationalhockey.net/...ist-of-Europeans-who-have-won-the-Stanley-Cup

I know you singled out just the last 4 Stanley Cups but that's a pretty arbitrary sample size.

 

[Raab]

I know you conveniently said last four Stanley cups because you want to leave out this scum russian guy.

Can't win with them at all.

Also, you seem to forget about the back to back cups with the Wings. They had the Russian Five.

TLDR; Basing a team off nationality is one of the stupidest reaching points you can make. It's almost saying that you should get Slovenians cause they know how to win the cup.

Yea Pittsburgh had what like 2 Russians when they won, LA had Voynov, dunno if Chicago or Boston had ANY. Obviously if they're elite level talents you'd want them on your team, but filling out your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines with Russians just seems like a horrible way to build a team. No one can honestly say they see Slepshyev and Yakimov as top liners here can they?

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Yea Pittsburgh had what like 2 Russians when they won, LA had Voynov, dunno if Chicago or Boston had ANY. Obviously if they're elite level talents you'd want them on your team, but filling out your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines with Russians just seems like a horrible way to build a team. No one can honestly say they see Slepshyev and Yakimov as top liners here can they?

You look at the individual talent, not the country of origin. Pretty simple way to build a team.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Yea Pittsburgh had what like 2 Russians when they won, LA had Voynov, dunno if Chicago or Boston had ANY. Obviously if they're elite level talents you'd want them on your team, but filling out your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines with Russians just seems like a horrible way to build a team. No one can honestly say they see Slepshyev and Yakimov as top liners here can they?

Man you are digging a hole... I'd stop while you are ahead but be my guest if you want to go on some sort of Don Cherry inspired xenophobic rationalization of how certain nationalities are inferior to others.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Considering that the Oilers right now have essentially no bottom 6 to speak of... I'd take Martians and Amazonian women (especially those in fact) if they could skate, hit and get more than the handful of goals in 48 games that the current squad down there have produced.

 

[The Nuge]

Yea Pittsburgh had what like 2 Russians when they won, LA had Voynov, dunno if Chicago or Boston had ANY. Obviously if they're elite level talents you'd want them on your team, but filling out your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines with Russians just seems like a horrible way to build a team. No one can honestly say they see Slepshyev and Yakimov as top liners here can they?

You can't seriously be suggesting that only elite level Russians are worth having


Edit: I probably should leave that part out...

 

[PeakMcOil]

Nurse is the guy we wanted . But homer has said couts and schenn are off limits.

Coburn for nurse. That is neither a win lose situation for either team. In the mean time the oilers get a great mobile defeseman that can play all the hard minutes at 4.5 mill a year. Potentially can play at a top level till he is 35. For nurse a prospect whose ceiling is a bit higher scoring than coburn and potentially slightly better defensively because of his attitude.

I can see the the pros and cons for both sides. It is very hard to find a similar trade. Brian campbell was traded for a 1st and a young prospect on an expiring deal.

and Burns who is more gifted offensively than Coburn yet have put up similar even strength numbers received a first round pick a top 6 30 g forward and a top prospect. And Burns makes more than coburn.

I think edm would be smart to keep nurse and let all the young guys develop at the same age range, and the flyers would be smart to keep Coburn because our d will be god awful without him and i see him being one the nhl's best bargains.

I don't think Burns is a fair comp for Coburn at all. Burns is a legitimate top pairing 2 way d-man. He's a guy, imo, you can build a defense around, coburn isn't in that same league. I'd love to get Coburn, he certainly helps any team, but there's a reason he's not making as much as him, he's not as valuable. Burns is a much more dynamic presence, he has the ability to change games and I don't think Coburn is in the same boat.

 

[Raab]

You can't seriously be suggesting that only elite level Russians are worth having


Edit: I probably should leave that part out...

How many championship teams have had 3rd and 4th line Russians? I'm actually curious, because if my analysis is proven wrong ill gladly retract my statement. But from what I have seen teams that win the cup are teams with Canadians on those bottoms lines. Why that is I don't know but there are a few theories already out there.

 

[Jtown]

I don't think Burns is a fair comp for Coburn at all. Burns is a legitimate top pairing 2 way d-man. He's a guy, imo, you can build a defense around, coburn isn't in that same league. I'd love to get Coburn, he certainly helps any team, but there's a reason he's not making as much as him, he's not as valuable. Burns is a much more dynamic presence, he has the ability to change games and I don't think Coburn is in the same boat.

He may be a legitmate top pair 2 way d man but he does not produce like it. The reason why coburn's points have gone down was because he was taken off the PP by Lavy and we have gone with a 4 forward attack and kimmo.

If you compare coburn to burns for just even strength play the numbers are very similar.

.22 for coburn and .26 for burns. So while burns may be that top pair dynamic 2 way defenseman he produces the same as coburn does even strength. And personally i think coburn is a bit better defensively.

 

[EVBetting Site]

How many championship teams have had 3rd and 4th line Russians? I'm actually curious, because if my analysis is proven wrong ill gladly retract my statement. But from what I have seen teams that win the cup are teams with Canadians on those bottoms lines. Why that is I don't know but there are a few theories already out there.

This holds more legitimacy with Russians because there is a very competitive league in their home country that generally offers more opportunity (role and dollar-wise) at younger ages than the NHL.

The mid-tier and below guys are the ones that are affected the most by this as well. The top ones will have top roles and top dollar regardless of league.

 

[GDU]

How many championship teams have had 3rd and 4th line Russians? I'm actually curious, because if my analysis is proven wrong ill gladly retract my statement. But from what I have seen teams that win the cup are teams with Canadians on those bottoms lines. Why that is I don't know but there are a few theories already out there.

it's time to stop posting...

 

[Aceboogie]

How many Russians has there been on the last 4 Stanley cup champs? Why were picking Russians I don't know because you don't win championships with them.

Yea Pittsburgh had what like 2 Russians when they won, LA had Voynov, dunno if Chicago or Boston had ANY. Obviously if they're elite level talents you'd want them on your team, but filling out your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines with Russians just seems like a horrible way to build a team. No one can honestly say they see Slepshyev and Yakimov as top liners here can they?

How many championship teams have had 3rd and 4th line Russians? I'm actually curious, because if my analysis is proven wrong ill gladly retract my statement. But from what I have seen teams that win the cup are teams with Canadians on those bottoms lines. Why that is I don't know but there are a few theories already out there.

Good to see Don Cherry on HFOil

You dont see 3rd/4th liner Russians on NHL cup winning teams because most of the role players stay in Russia for more $ and better chances.

How can you not see Slepyshev as a top 6 player? He was a #1 OA pick in the KHL draft and was ranked in the top 20s for last years draft. Not many grinders can say that.

Yakimov may max out at 2c if he reaches full potential. But Russians are capable of playing depth roles to, see Grabo and Kulemin. And he has stated he is coming over

Would you rather pick role player plugs in the 2nd and 3rd? Its worked out really well with Hamilton, Abney and the rest of our horrible forward prospects. Sorry but its been proven to be a bad way to draft. I would rather go for skill in those rounds and trade for depth later

 

[PBandJ]

Yea Pittsburgh had what like 2 Russians when they won, LA had Voynov, dunno if Chicago or Boston had ANY. Obviously if they're elite level talents you'd want them on your team, but filling out your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines with Russians just seems like a horrible way to build a team. No one can honestly say they see Slepshyev and Yakimov as top liners here can they?

Might be time to stop posting.

You slagged Nurse, now all Russians suck except for a few? Yeah, ok.

 

[B A T M A N*]

What about Nurse + Paajarvi + 2nd 2014/Gernat for Schenn brothers?

Then trade Gagner in a package for a defenseman (Yandle?)

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

What about Nurse + Paajarvi + 2nd 2014/Gernat for Schenn brothers?

Then trade Gagner in a package for a defenseman (Yandle?)

This isn't NHL 13?

 

[B A T M A N*]

This isn't NHL 13?

I wish it was...

Y you always gotta be all up on ma grill, mayne

 

[40oz]

How many years til Yak can apply for Canadian citizenship? We need to nip this Russian=/=Cup thing in the bud.