Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 14th: Who is bigger, Dickey or Johnson?

[Sokil]

Cy young winner for two good prospects plus spare parts? Cy young winners grow on trees?

Imagine if we traded Snider and Purcey for Lee years ago, Toronto would riot. At least by the tone of these posts.

 

[cyris]

Steep price, but when you total it up:

In:

Dickey
JJ
Reyes
Beurhle
Cabrera
Thole
Nickeas
Bonifacio
Izurtis

Out:

Alvarez
Nickolino
Syndergaard
D'Arnaud
Hechavaria
Mathis
Escobar
Marisnick
Desacflani


I think we know who the winner is.

Becerra out too. He isnt a nothing prospect.

 

[Stats01]

total overpayment, wow. Well, at least the BJs will be fun to watch RIGHT NOW

No...not really.

CY Young Winners on a cheap contract and with an option for a 4th year hardly ever come around.

 

[calcal798]

Becerra out too. He isnt a nothing prospect.

I knew id forget someone

 

[Stats01]

Becerra out too. He isnt a nothing prospect.

He's way down in the minors.

 

[Communal Blood]

Was hoping for Flores. Boo. Oh well.

 

[topched]

total overpayment, wow. Well, at least the BJs will be fun to watch RIGHT NOW

Everyone stop using this word.

Payment (over or under) is based on fair market value. The market value for Cy Young award winner coming off three impressive seasons, and on a 3 year contract worth 1/2 of his actual value is exactly what we gave.

If there were other RA Dickey types getting traded we could compare it to, then sure. But we paid market value here.

 

[Bullsmith]

I gotta say, I think adding 3 legit top 3 starters without basically touching the roster is an incredible accomplishment. Then add in Cabrera and Reyes, again with only Escobar removed from last years lineup. I absolutely understand that AA has gutted the top of the prospect list, but the return in terms of MLB talent is pretty incredible.

I give the guy huge props, myself. Toronto deserves a winner. Canada is ready to get behind the Jays too, I think. There is a huge appetite fan base out there for the taking, and IMO the Jays have chosen exactly the right moment to make a push.

 

[Stats01]

When you're complaining about Becerra..you're really reaching. Some on here just need to stop posting.

 

[jcollins]

After everything, I have to admit that was underwhelming.

those prospects are just filler. When I heard "non elite" I thought at least they would be respectable lol

The one we got for sure is.

The one we sent was one of our top IFA signings in 2011

 

[Sokil]

People are making it sound like Syndergaard will be as good as Dickey someday

 

[Natey]

I hate to lose D'Arnaud and Syndergaard but great trade overall. We are competing now not in a few years.

As far as Nickeas, my guess is he's had some work with Dickey and is insurance incase Thole gets injured. That way we have him to catch Dickey because like others have said - JP may not be able to handle the knuckleball.

 

[KesselLooksLikeRadar*]

Morrow
Dickey
Johnson
Buerhle
Romero

It bears repeating.

 

[HookeyPlayer]

Not sure but there may still be some more trades coming.

Heard on the fan the Jays gained $1mil in salary as RAD is signed for $5mil and we lost Buck who was at $6mil.

Also if DO doesn't re-sign it will be another $3mil gained.

 

[Cool Beans Man]

Curse that Alex Anthopolous for trying to bring a championship to a city that hasn't seen the playoffs in 18 years. CURSE HIM!!!!

 

[cyris]

He's way down in the minors.

And only 17. Its not like he isnt going to improve.

Not saying we shouldn't have included him, he just isn't a nothing prospect.

 

[Canada4Gold]

He's way down in the minors.

he's 17, he's obviously way down in the minors, doesn't mean he won't be anything. He's certainly got more potential than the 30 year old Canadian we got which is dissapointing because there was always the hope that we'd at least win the minor prospect swap

 

[Sokil]

Not sure but there may still be some more trades coming.

Heard on the fan the Jays gained $1mil in salary as RAD is signed for $5mil and we lost Buck who was at $6mil.

Also if DO doesn't re-sign it will be another $3mil gained.

we had to give the mets cash to offset Buck's contract, from what i've read

 

[cyris]

The one we got for sure is.

The one we sent was one of our top IFA signings in 2011

No everyone not in the majors is a worthless scrub.

 

[topched]

Curse that Alex Anthopolous for trying to bring a championship to a city that hasn't seen the playoffs in 18 years. CURSE HIM!!!!

But but but but.... what about... the FUTURE?!

 

[weems]

Bodog has the Jays as WS favorites

 

[Stats01]

he's 17, he's obviously way down in the minors, doesn't mean he won't be anything. He's certainly got more potential than the 30 year old Canadian we got which is dissapointing because there was always the hope that we'd at least win the minor prospect swap

I'm looking forward to watching this team contend, not worrying about some 17 year old kid. I'll take my chances on him not becoming significant in his career.

 

[Jatt]

This thread is proof positive that Rogers/MLSE have been fantastic over the course of the new millenium of hypnotizing and profiteering it's fanbase to the tune of 'hope' rather than results. The one's complaining about this trade (as stated previously by Sokil) would have probably reacted with the same anger and panic for "the future" had we traded Snider and Purcey for Cliff Lee a couple years ago. Could TDA become the next Pudge Rodriguez? Maybe, does this trade make us a favourite to make the PLAYOFFS? Yes. TDA could also pan out to be the next Randy Knorr, baseball prospects out of all 4 major sports are the most unpredictable. Just ask others who were pegged to be Jays "stalwarts" such as Travis Snider, Russ Adams, five-tooler Alex Rios, Aaron Hill etc. etc. etc.

 

[Stats01]

No everyone not in the majors is a worthless scrub.

No one is saying that.

 

[Cool Beans Man]

But but but but.... what about... the FUTURE?!

Haha, apparently people are willing to wait another 3 or 4 years when d'Arnaud and Syndergaard are pitching and catching starters in the All-Star Game.