Dreger: NYR actively talking to teams about becoming a 3rd party in a potential deal

[5cotland]

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[Mrfenn92]

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

With a few teams looking to be that 3rd party, probably cost less than others to get it done

 

[BMOK33]

I have to think teams are gonna look for this loophole to be closed on the next CBA. You should not be able to cheat the cap system

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I have to think teams are gonna look for this loophole to be closed on the next CBA. You should not be able to cheat the cap system

It’s not cheating though. Those teams taking on cap for a pick(s) are giving up an opportunity to use that space, potentially making their team worse. Eyes wide open.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I have to think teams are gonna look for this loophole to be closed on the next CBA. You should not be able to cheat the cap system

It isn't really a loophole though and given the cap uncertainty, it is the only way for some teams to facilitate moves. I don't think any teams benefit from getting rid of this.

Currently, teams like Boston/NYR/Toronto get the benefit of extra cap relief, teams like the Wild get the benefit of extra assets for simply brokering a deal.

 

[Bert Mckrakken]

I have to think teams are gonna look for this loophole to be closed on the next CBA. You should not be able to cheat the cap system

I feel the sitting of players for "Trade related reasons" is more detrimental to the game than teams facilitating trades by using cap space.
Plus can't you only retain on like 3 contracts at a time? So to me that means there is something in place so that its not abused, and is fair for everyone.

 

[Mrfenn92]

I have to think teams are gonna look for this loophole to be closed on the next CBA. You should not be able to cheat the cap system

So eliminate all retention on any deals?

 

[Some Other Flame]

I have to think teams are gonna look for this loophole to be closed on the next CBA. You should not be able to cheat the cap system

lol how is it a loophole?

 

[The New Russian Five]

lol how is it a loophole?

It's not

 

[57special]

No problem with it at all. Underperforming teams with cap space accrue assets that will help them in the future, while top teams give away their future to profit in the present. It’s a win win, and helps level out the playing field eventually. It doesn’t go against the letter, or the spirit, of the cap system.

Using players in the playoffs that have been LTIR for the regular season is a different story. Clearly advantages teams who can afford to pay players that sit around all season.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I have to think teams are gonna look for this loophole to be closed on the next CBA. You should not be able to cheat the cap system

have you seen the NBA trade deadline and how exciting it is for fans? We're over here losing our minds for Dmitry Orlov and you want to make it even tougher to move stars in the NHL than it already is? Boo this man.

 

[kevsh]

It’s a win win, and helps level out the playing field eventually

In theory, but in reality it hasn't worked out that way.

 

[jgimp]

I have to think teams are gonna look for this loophole to be closed on the next CBA. You should not be able to cheat the cap system

Nothing wrong with it. I have a bigger issue with sitting players for weeks on end pending trades and manipulation of the LTIR well before third teams eating 1 or 2 Mil for a 4th or 5th pick to assist in a trade.

 

[yianik]

No problem with it at all. Underperforming teams with cap space accrue assets that will help them in the future, while top teams give away their future to profit in the present. It’s a win win, and helps level out the playing field eventually. It doesn’t go against the letter, or the spirit, of the cap system.

Using players in the playoffs that have been LTIR for the regular season is a different story. Clearly advantages teams who can afford to pay players that sit around all season.

All of that. And it's also fun to watch. There would be fewer trades done without it, it makes things more interesting. Leave it be.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I assume Rangers need someone to retain 25% of Kane’s contract which with my rough calculations would be about $200k in actual cash for the retaining team. Minnesota got 4th and 5th round picks for around $75K so I would expect any team retaining on Kane to get around a 3rd.

 

[TGWL]

NYR offered a few teams a 4, but NJD, NYI, PIT, and CAR all came together and offered a 5th each to block it. Soooo close.

 

[5cotland]

I assume Rangers need someone to retain 25% of Kane’s contract which with my rough calculations would be about $200k in actual cash for the retaining team. Minnesota got 4th and 5th round picks for around $75K so I would expect any team retaining on Kane to get around a 3rd.

Around $170k in real cash. I still think a 4th would get it done

 

[Leonardo87]

Anaheim should be all over this.

 

[joestevens29]

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I was reading yesterday about people still wanting the Wild to do this, but at this point can they?

If they are still potentially moving Dumba they are going to need that last spot to retain on him.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Around $170k in real cash. I still think a 4th would get it done.

Yea, if it’s a 2023 4th. Minnesota did trade away Josh Pillar in the O’Reilly trade for a 2025 4th, so if the Rangers gave up a 2023 4th it’s probably doable.

 

[Mrfenn92]

I was reading yesterday about people still wanting the Wild to do this, but at this point can they?

If they are still potentially moving Dumba they are going to need that last spot to retain on him.

I got ya.

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

Patrick Kane incoming.

 

[BMOK33]

In theory, but in reality it hasn't worked out that way.

That’s why it should just be dumped or tweeted. Same as MLB luxury tax is useless since owners of teams like Oakland and Kansas City just pocket the money anyway

 

[ratbid]

I have to think teams are gonna look for this loophole to be closed on the next CBA. You should not be able to cheat the cap system

I’ve never understood this line of thinking. It’s a creative way to utilize a resource (cap space) fully within the rules. There are a certain number of retention spots, and a set value amount for each team. How teams allocate those resources is up to them. This is not cheating in any way, and certainly was considered in the previous CBA.