(Nov) PTD 2014 Thread

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Going forward what's the schedule for this?

Wed, Dec 3: 1-week period for lineup assassinations is up and GM votes can be submitted

Followed by:

- GM voting results will be announced once I receive votes from everyone

- Seeding will be set for the polls board and ATD polls

- Voting for polls will be open until there are no new votes and the next round of polls will be posted

That is the planned time frame for things unless there are suggestions to do it differently.
 

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I would prefer for the assassination period to be a little longer (maybe thru Friday?). With it being American Thanksgiving last Thursday I've been spending most/all of my weekend with family and friends. With the lack of activity it appears that I may not be the only one...
 

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I have no problem with extending the assassination period through Friday or even longer if team reviews are still trickling in. I don't think we are in a hurry to complete things anyway.
 

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Esa Tikkanen --- Wayne Gretzky (C) --- Mike Bossy
Alexander Ovechkin --- Peter Forsberg --- Claude Lemieux
Bob Gainey --- Sergei Fedorov --- Jere Lehtinen
Dave Andreychuk --- Ron Francis --- Peter Bondra

Viacheslav Fetisov (A) --- Alexei Kasatonov
Scott Stevens (A) --- Brian Rafalski
Mark Howe --- Vladimir Konstantinov

Ed Belfour
Curtis Joseph

PP1

Dave Andreychuk - Wanye Gretzky - Mike Bossy
Alexander Ovechkin - Mark Howe

PP2

Esa Tikkanen - Peter Forsberg - Ron Francis
Viacheslav Fetisov - Scott Stevens

PK1

Sergei Fedorov - Bob Gainey
Scott Stevens - Vladimir Konstantinov


PK2

Jere Lehtinen - Ron Francis
Viacheslav Fetisov - Alexei Kasatonov


Forwards
1st Line: Gretzky - Bossy is 2/3's of a great first line...those two will be a lethal combo. Tikkanen brings tons of grit and some defense, but is bottom of the barrel in terms of offensive skill...the combination of skills is good here, and I think the line is very good, but not quite elite because of Tikkanen, who is easily the weakest scoring line LW, let alone 1st line LW.

2nd Line: You and I were on the same page when it came to LW's...there were 2 elite ones in this draft and then a large dropoff, and we were both willing to take those LWs a little early (relative to players at other positions). Ovechkin is maybe the best LW in the draft and at worst a 1a/1b, and you have him on your second line, so that's a huge edge. After that you have Forsberg, who is above average for a second line C. Gretzky-Forsberg is the best 1-2 center combo in the draft. Similar to your first line, 2 standouts and then Claude Lemieux is the weakest 2nd line RW in the draft. Still this is a dangerous 2nd line that should wear teams down physically.

3rd Line: Continuing the trend of great depth at center, Fedorov is the best #3 in the draft. This line will be very difficult to score against, but unfortunately not much of a threat going the other way, as Gainey-Lehtinen bring very little offensively.

4th Line: While Francis is a great 4th line center, I think picking him so early was a bit of a waste. With Gretzky playing big minutes, and then Forsberg-Fedorov after him how much ice will your 4th line center really see? Would have liked to have seen some more physicality out of this line.

Defense
1st Pair: A below average 1st pair because Kasatonov is really your #4, but they have a chemistry bonus.

2nd Pair: Stevens is your second best Dman, so he's a luxury on the 2nd pairing. Rafalski needs to be replaced with Mark Howe. The chemistry bonus isn't nearly worth the humongous difference between Howe and Rafalski. Think of it this way...in the 2010 Olympics did Canada use Keith-Seabrook as their second pair just because they played together? No, Seabrook was the #7 and Keith had a regular shift with Drew Doughty. This is the pair that will play against the other teams' best.

3rd Pair: I'm not as high on Konstantinov as some others, but Konstantinov - Rafalski works in terms of a puck mover with a physical stay at home guy.

Goaltending
You have the easily the worst starter in the draft. You took the right guy in Belfour, but as Hawkman alluded to, you could have waited much longer. I don't think anyone was taking a backup goalie before assembling their 3rd line + 2nd D pair. I'd call Joseph an average backup...would've been nice to get one of the elite ones. Good call not choosing Barrasso...him and Belfour would've gone at it.

Special Teams
PP1: Mark Howe was not really known as a PP specialist...replace him with Fetisov, who will be a great point man. The rest is elite, and likely the best PP unit in the draft.

PP2: I would put Rafalski on one of the points for sure. A bit of a tossup as to who the other should be among Howe/Stevens or you could also put Francis on the point. I like Bondra up front as a trigger man. Unsure if Lemieux or Tikkanen would be a better net front presence. Lots of ways to go here, but I think you should rework it starting with Rafalski. This will likely be one of the weaker 2nd units, but how much ice will they see with that first unit?!

PK1/2: As far as skaters go, these two units are probably the best 1-2 combo in the draft (although not all special teams have been assembled yet). Unfortunately, your most important PKer, Ed Belfour, is the weakest in the draft. I don't think it's an issue at all though, the guys in front of him are great.


Overall: A solid entry with great center depth and a strong top 4 D (assuming you move Howe up). Goaltending is a big weakness. Your 3rd line is great defensively, but won't score much and I don't really see much defense from any of your other lines (they each have one defensively responsible player, but they could get in trouble if they find themselves up against a good two-way line or a line that is better offensively than they are). Great special teams.
 

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New York Islanders

Paul Kariya - Joe Sakic (C) - Guy Lafleur
Brendan Shanahan (A) - Sidney Crosby - Brett Hull
Patrick Marleau - Joe Thornton - Corey Perry
Igor Liba - Jonathan Toews - Patrick Sharp

Zdeno Chara - Al MacInnis (A)
Duncan Keith - Shea Weber
Ryan Suter - Adam Foote

Dominik Hasek
Jonathan Quick

PP1
Paul Kariya - Joe Sakic - Brett Hull
Al MacInnis - Zdeno Chara

PP2
Brendan Shanahan - Sidney Crosby - Guy Lafleur
Shea Weber - Duncan Keith

PK1
Jonathan Toews - Patrick Sharp
Ryan Suter - Zdeno Chara

PK2
Igor Liba - Joe Sakic
Al MacInnis - Adam Foote​


Forwards
1st Line: After the large drop-off after Ovechkin/Kharlamov I thought Kariya was the best LW, so you did good there. I cannot, however, agree with taking Lafleur over Jagr. Jagr is in his own tier offensively...not at Gretzky/Lemieux level, but far ahead of any other forward in the draft. That said, Lafleur is still the next best RW in the draft, so you are still very strong at that position. Sakic is a solid 1st line center that will bring some defensive responsibility to the line.

2nd Line: Shanahan is good enough to be a 1st line LW in this thing, so you did well to get him on your 2nd line. Crosby is a good 2nd line center and his playmaking should work nicely with Brett Hull who is an above average 2nd line RW. Crosby has a tendency to let the opposition get in his head, so I like Shanahan next to him both for his leadership and for his toughness/protection.

3rd Line: Not as big of a fan of your 3rd line as I am of your first 2. Thornton is good for an offensive-minded 3rd line, but looking at your first two line I would have gone for something more defensive/two-way. IMO Marleau just doesn't belong on a 3rd line in this draft, maybe a 4th. Perry seems like a 4th liner too...2 teams have pure defensive RW's (Lehtinen/Graham) and he just doesn't compare to the others (St. Louis, Hossa, Recchi). Even if some of the players aren't up to snuff the chemistry on the line is good.

4th Line: Toews is a good two-way 4th line center. I'm not a fan of Patrick Sharp on the RW at all. Not only do I think there are much better players available, but he has played exclusively on the left side during his time in Chicago (along with some time at center, but hasn't been in the middle since 2010). Igor Liba is a good 4th line LW that brings two-way play. You have 2/3's of a nice two-way 4th line here, I'd strongly consider dropping Patrick Sharp and picking up someone else for the right side.

Defense
1st Pair: Al MacInnis is a #2 and Zdeno Chara a #3 in this draft, which means your top pair is weak. The two fit chemistry-wise. I'd give Chara the A over MacInnis.

2nd Pair: I see Keith and Weber both as #4's in this, so this pairing is also weak, although not as weak as your first pairing relative to other teams. Again, I think the two fit well together.

3rd Pair: A nice defensively responsible 3rd pairing that brings physicality of which there is no lack of on your blueline.

Goaltending
Well, if you're gonna have a weak defense then they should be supported by a great goaltender and you've done just that. IMO Hasek is in a 1a/1b situation with Roy for the best goalie in the draft. I would've chosen a backup with more experience, but it really doesn't matter...Hasek will be starting for all games that matter.


Special Teams
PP1: I don't like Kariya on this unit. Either put Shanahan out there as a net front presence or load up and go with Lafleur...the positions are all different on a PP anyway so it doesn't matter if he's on the left side (I prefer the latter). MacInnis is great on the blueline...I'd go with Weber over Chara...I know he's a RHS, but I don't think Chara, who is a #3 in this draft, can handle 1st D pair and 1st unit both special teams.

PP2: Joe Thornton needs to be on one of the PP units. I like him and Sid along with one of Shanahan/Lafleur. Move Chara down to this unit with Keith, and you're looking at a nice 2nd unit.

PK1: Toews is good on the first unit, but Sharp has not been a top 4 PK forward in Chicago, he does not belong on a first or second unit in this draft, go with Patrick Marleau instead who has been a top PKer for SJ. Dmen are good.

PK2: Second unit is good not great. No one out of place, but no one especially great for their role. Could prove a nice SH threat against tired units. Who is PKing if one of your forwards gets injured?

Overall: A team that will rely greatly on their goaltender because of a weak blueline, but who has the goaltender to do it. Replacing Sharp with a strong two-way/defensive player who actually plays RW would give you a line that could throw out there against other teams' scoring lines when you don't get the power vs. power matchup your team is built for. A strong 2nd line could cause matchup problems for teams that aren't prepared for it.
 

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John LeClair -- Evgeni Malkin --- Sergei Makarov
Ilya Kovalchuk -- Bobby Clarke (C) --- Jarome Iginla
Bill Barber -- Adam Oates --- Martin St. Louis
Keith Tkachuk --- Mike Modano --- Daniel Alfredsson

Raymond Bourque (A) --- Chris Chelios (A)
Scott Niedermayer --- Chris Pronger
Kimmo Timonen --- Eric Desjardins

Patrick Roy
John Vanbiesbrouck

PP1
LeClair -- Oates -- St. Louis
Kovalchuk -- Bourque

PP2
Makarov -- Malkin -- Iginla
Neidermayer -- Pronger

PK1
Barber -- Clarke
Chelios -- Pronger

PK2
Modano -- Alfredsson
Timonen --Bourque
 
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Michel Goulet-Bryan Trottier-Jaromir Jagr
Vladimir Krutov-Marcel Dionne-Cam Neely
John Tonelli-Eric Lindros-Mark Recchi
Gary Roberts-Mike Peca-Steve Larmer

Nicklas Lidstrom-Brad Park
Brian Leetch-Sergei Zubov
Valeri Vasilev-Rob Blake

Ken Dryden
Billy Smith

Special Teams:

PP 1:

Michel Goulet-Bryan Trottier-Jaromir Jagr
Nicklas Lidstrom-Sergei Zubov

PP 2:

Gary roberts-Marcel Dionne-Mark Recchi
Brian leetch-Brad Park

PK 1:

Mike Peca-Steve Larmer
Valeri Vasiliev-Rob Blake

PK 2:

John Tonelli-Bryan Trottier
Nicklas Lidstrom-Brad Park

Leadership: Bryan Trottier-Captain Alternates: nicklas Lidstrom, Brad Park
 
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John LeClair -- Evgeni Malkin --- Sergei Makarov
Ilya Kovalchuk -- Bobby Clarke (C) --- Jarome Iginla
Bill Barber -- Adam Oates --- Martin St. Louis
Keith Tkachuk --- Mike Modano --- Daniel Alfredsson

Raymond Bourque (A) --- Chris Chelios (A)
Scott Niedermayer --- Chris Pronger
Kimmo Timonen --- Eric Desjardins

Patrick Roy
John Vanbiesbrouck

PP1
LeClair -- Oates -- St. Louis
Kovalchuk -- Bourque

PP2
Makarov -- Malkin -- Iginla
Neidermayer -- Pronger

PK1
Barber -- Clarke
Chelios -- Pronger

PK2
Modano -- Alfredsson
Timonen --Bourque
I had jury duty Monday and Tuesday and HT really stole my thunder on the 2 teams I had a lot to say about. Here's a mini-review. This is a good top 4 firewagon team. Your offense, dmen, and and goaltending are all good. Roy is arguably the best ever. I only see 2 problems. 1. Clarke is a top 7 center all time and arguably the best 2 way center in this era. He must be your #1 center. 2. Your 2 bottom lines have no defensive forwards. I realize you're going full firewagon, but you have to have some defense on those lines. If you could drop one forward from your bottom 2 lines and pick up a defensive forward, I think it would help improve your team. I would drop Tkachuk who specialized in taking bad penalties and not scoring playoff goals and pick up a more defensive forward. Sorry for the brevity, KF.
 
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Detroit Red Wings

Luc Robitaille---Mario Lemieux (C) ---Teemu Selanne
Markus Naslund---Doug Gilmour---Jari Kurri
Craig Ramsay---Rod Brind'Amour---Dirk Graham
Don Marcotte---Guy Carbonneau--- Brian Rolston

Denis Potvin (A) --- Larry Robinson (A)
Borje Salming --- Rod Langway
Larry Murphy--- Doug Wilson

Martin Brodeur
Tom Barrasso

PP1
Luc Robitaille---Mario Lemieux (C) ---Teemu Selanne
Denis Potvin (A) --- Larry Robinson (A)

PP2
Markus Naslund---Doug Gilmour---Jari Kurri
Borje Salming - Rod Langway

PK1
Craig Ramsay - Rod Brind'Amour
Larry Murphy - Doug Wilson

PK2
Guy Carbonneau---Dirk Graham
Borje Salming - Rod Langway

Extra PK
Don Marcotte---Brian Rolston

Forwards
1st Line: The most offensively talented first line in the draft. There is a definite lack of defense as all these guys are negatives in that area, but they sure are gonna score. Would've liked to have seen a tough guy on this line to make sure opponents don't take liberties with Mario, but at least you have Robinson and Potvin who can answer the bell if necessary.

2nd Line: I was surprised when I saw you select Markus Naslund over Patrik Elias. Gilmour-Kurri are 2/3's of a solid two-way line, and Elias would've fit in nicely IMO, Naslund brings zilch defensively but does add offense to the line, which perhaps was a good idea when looking at your bottom 6. Gilmour is a below average center, but Kurri could play on a 1st line, so that makes up for it. Naslund is average for his role.

3rd Line: A nice shutdown 3rd line. Same as with the Caps 3rd line, these guys will play very good defense, but are pretty much zero threat the other way.

4th Line: I like Carbonneau and Marcotte a lot, great defensive players and Marcotte bring versatility in being able to play any forward position, but I do not like Rolston at all...there were just much better options available. Knowing you're a Hawks fan I was shocked you took Rolston over Larmer, who I think would've fit nicely here. Overall I kind of wish one of the 3rd/4th lines would have been more two-way instead of strictly defensive to help contribute to the offense.

Defense
1st Pair: Great 1st D pair that will be miserable to play against. In the conversation for best D pair in the draft along with Bourque-Chelios.

2nd Pair: A solid 2nd pair that will be very good defensively. I'd say Salming is a strong #3 and Langway a weaker #4, so about average as a pair.

3rd Pair: An above average 3rd pairing...Murphy wouldn't be out of place on a second pairing with the right partner and Wilson is an above average #5. Your blueline is easily the strongest part of your team

Goaltending
Brodeur is an above average but not elite goalie in this...a step down from Roy/Hasek but a step up from Dryden/Tretiak IMO.

Special Teams
PP1: Great 1st PP unit...should be one of the best in the draft

PP2: Rod Langway belongs very very little offense and belongs no where near any PP unit. Replace him with one of Wilson/Murphy. Forwards are probably a little below average here, not that they don't belong, it's just that a lot of the 2nd units are really stacked in this draft.

PK1: I would move Carbonneau up to the 1st unit. He's a better defensive player than BrindAmour and he should have more energy playing on the 4th line. I have no idea why Murphy and Wilson are your Dmen...they're probably the last two I would pick. Langway is a defensive specialist, he definitely needs to be on the first unit along with one of Robinson/Potvin.

PK 2: If you decide to move Carbo up then BrindAmour should be here. Tough call between Marcotte and Graham...you can't really go wrong with either, and I don't think I have enough knowledge to say who's better. Keep Salming and go with whoever you didn't put on the first unit between Potvin/Robinson

Overall: The strong D corps is the strength of this team, along with a very dangerous first line. This team may be relying a little too much on that 1st line for offense...if they get shut down or get their own scoring negated from a lack of defense the 2nd line is really the only other option for offense, and they are no better than average offensively. That being said, Mario Lemieux is not a player who is going to get shut down very often, and you also have offense coming from your blueline as well. A good entry and an interesting concept going with a high octane offensive first line supported by two-way/defensive minded lines below.
 

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Thanks, HT. I'm not sure how I missed Larmer. I made the special team changes you recommended.

PP1
Luc Robitaille---Mario Lemieux (C) ---Teemu Selanne
Denis Potvin (A) --- Larry Robinson (A)

PP2
Markus Naslund---Doug Gilmour---Jari Kurri
Borje Salming - Larry Murphy

PK1
Craig Ramsay - Guy Carbonneau
Rod Langway - Larry Robinson

PK2
Rod BrindAmour---Dirk Graham
Borje Salming - Denis Potvin

Extra PK
Don Marcotte---Brian Rolston
 
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tony d

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Chicago Blackhawks

Valeri Kharlamov - Mark Messier (C) - Alexander Maltsev
Patrik Elias - Steve Yzerman (A) - Pavel Bure
Henrik Zetterberg - Pavel Datsyuk - Marian Hossa
Clark Gillies - Patrice Bergeron - Theo Fleury

Serge Savard - Bobby Orr (A)
Paul Coffey - Guy Lapointe
Sergei Gonchar - Brad McCrimmon

Vladislav Tretiak
Grant Fuhr


PP1
Kharlamov - Messier - Yzerman
Coffey - Orr

PP2
Gillies - Maltsev - Bure
Lapointe - Gonchar


PK1
Zetterberg - Bergeron
Savard - Orr

PK2
Datsyuk - Hossa
Lapointe - McCrimmon

Extra PK
F: Yzerman
D: Coffey


Time to review this roster:

1st line: Kharlamov may be one of the best Russian players of all-time. In a position that is probably the weakest you got 1 of the best, solid pick. Mark Messier is one of the best leaders in hockey history, he's a very good #1 centre and the kind of guy who will do it all. Maltsev is the goal scorer and is very versatile in that he can play all 3 forward lines. Overall a good 1st line.

2nd line: Elias was a guy I had thought about picking, always a favourite of mine, he'll serve your team quite well. Yzerman was another guy i thought of picking, the guy started off as pure offense but turned to becoming a 2 way player in the 90's which I think made the Red Wings that much better a team. Bure's one of the better goal scorers in this draft and should do well with playmakers Elias and Yzerman. Look for Bure to shine here as he won't have to play defensive as Elias and yzerman should provide adequate defense for this line.

3rd line: Zetterberg's a perfect fit for a 3rd line in this, good defensively and will chip in quite well offensively as well. Datsyuk is the same thing, he's currently one of the best 2 way players in the league and it helps he is familiar with Zetterberg. Marian Hossa completes this line, like the others he'll bring checking as well as offense, overall a good 2 way line here.

4th Line: Gillies was a guy I wanted to get, maybe not much to speak of offensively but on a 4th line you don't want that but he'll provide you with a good chippy defensive game. Patrice Bergeron is active now but along with Toews and Datsyuk is one of the better 2 way centres in the league right now. He makes all the sense in the world to have on a 4th line. Fleury's a great agitator, I wish I would have picked him ahead of Neely. Overall a 4th line that's going to be more defensive than offensive but that's normal for a 4th line.

1st defensive pairing: As far as pure defensive defensemen go there aren't many better than Savard. Another guy I targeted so a very solid pickup here. Bobby Orr of course is Bobby Orr, best defenseman whoever played the game. He should thrive on this pairing as with Savard on his backend he can shine more offensively than having to worry about defensive duties.

2nd defensive pairing: Paul Coffey is perhaps the best offense-only defenseman in the history of the game, just don't ask him to play defense. Luckily you have Guy Lapointe there, Lapointe can cover up for any defensive mistakes Coffey may make, overall a solid 2nd pairing here, good work.

3rd defensive pairing: Much like Coffey Gonchar is more known for his offensive game than his defensive one. Luckily once again you drafted a defense only partner to go with an offense only partner. I've always liked Mcrimmon and getting him here was something I contemplated. Overall a solid pairing.

Goalies: Thought of picking Tretiak myself, such a good goalie all-time and probably the best goalie ever to never play in the NHL. Fuhr was a finalist for my pick when I went with Smith, I think he's one of the better backups here. Overall a good tandem.

Special Teams: Not much to say here though I think I'd have Bure on my 1st powerplay unit, other than that solid group.

Final Thoughts: A good team here for sure, good luck to you going forward.
 

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Ottawa

Michel Goulet-Bryan Trottier-Jaromir Jagr
Vladimir Krutov-Marcel Dionne-Cam Neely
John Tonelli-Eric Lindros-Mark Recchi
Gary Roberts-Mike Peca-Steve Larmer

Nicklas Lidstrom-Brad Park
Brian Leetch-Sergei Zubov
Valeri Vasilev-Rob Blake

Ken Dryden
Billy Smith

Special Teams:

PP 1:

Michel Goulet-Bryan Trottier-Jaromir Jagr
Nicklas Lidstrom-Sergei Zubov

PP 2:

Gary roberts-Marcel Dionne-Mark Recchi
Brian leetch-Brad Park

PK 1:

Mike Peca-Steve Larmer
Valeri Vasiliev-Rob Blake

PK 2:

John Tonelli-Bryan Trottier
Nicklas Lidstrom-Brad Park

Appreciate the review Tony. Time to do your team...

Forwards
1st Line: Jagr was a mini-steal and a great start to a first line. As I said before he's not on Gretzky/Lemieux level offensively but he's on a tier alone above everyone else. Trottier is a solid #1 center that can do it all. Goulet is exactly what this line needed IMO, a pure shooter. A well built first line.

2nd Line: Dionne is an above average 2nd line center IMO. Opinions will vary widely on both Krutov and Neely. Personally I discount Krutov some for his extremely poor showing in the NHL and possible reliance on steroids, but even after that he's still a solid second line LW in this. If you didn't discount him at all he'd be a 1st liner easily. Neely on the other hand, I think is weak for a 2nd liner, but he does fill an important role with his physicality and board work. I also like that you have a strong 4th line RW in Larmer that could replace Neely at times. This line does not have a defensive conscience and could get themselves in trouble if they find themselves matched up against a more talented line or a strong two-way line.

3rd Line: Lindros is one of the better 3rd line centers in the draft, and same goes for Recchi on the right side. The two are a good combination that have proven chemistry. Tonelli is the defensive conscience of the line. This line isn't good enough defensively to shut down top lines, but they are a plus defensively and bring a ton of grit and certainly a threat to score the other way, so they're a difficult matchup. One of the nicer 3rd lines IMO.

4th Line: Peca is a great defensive 4th line center who I had targeted for my own team. Larmer is a great 4th liner who is defensively responsible and gritty, he also brings some scoring touch. I'm not as big a fan of Roberts as some others, and I think there were a few better players available who could also play a 4th line role (Yakushev or Propp would've been my two top choices and I think they could've made this a very strong line). Still Roberts will bring some physicality and energy, and 4th line minutes should limit his injuries. A solid 4th line overall.

Defense
1st Pair: Strong top pairing, Lidstrom and Park are both above average for their roles. A very small deduction for Park not being a LHS...Lidstrom has gone on record saying he really prefers a RHS partner, but he's also never played with someone as good as prime Park either.

2nd/3rd Pair: I would re-shuffle these pairings, all 4 of these guys can do it all, but you have two guys who are primarily puck-movers on the 2nd unit and two big physical guys on the 3rd unit. Even on the Rangers Leetch and Zubov didn't play together at ES, Leetch was paired with the big stay at home guy, Beukeboom. The two did play together on the PP and were absolutely deadly. I like Leetch - Vasiliev as the 2nd pairing followed by Blake - Zubov. Both of those pairings would be above average, especially the bottom pairing which is made up of a #4 + #5 IMO.

Goaltending
Goaltending is solid. IMO Dryden/Tretiak are a short step down from Brodeur and a a slightly larger step down from Roy/Hasek.

Special Teams
PP1/2: It feels weird to say given the guys on your squad, but this draft is so stacked that your 1st unit Dmen are going to be below average no matter what combo you go with. I think Leetch/Zubov should be paired together because of how well they worked together in real life, and I actually think they should be on the first unit and Lidstrom-Park on the second. Even if you disagree the difference can't be large, and I think it's more valuable to have Lidstrom-Park available to play more ES minutes where the gap is larger. All that said, your 2nd unit Dmen are going to be among the best in the draft. I don't know where you want to put him, but Lindros absolutely has to be on one of these units. He's a potent offensive player and would be a beast to deal with in front of the net. You can decide whether he belongs on the 1st or 2nd unit, but either way I see Roberts being the guys who gets left out.

PK1/2: I don't know about his PKing but I think Tonelli is better defensively than Larmer, I like him on the first unit unless there's some evidence against it. This also makes the 2nd unit more of a SH threat with the Trottier-Larmer combo. I know Lidstrom isn't much in front of the net, but he's one of the greatest defensive Dmen of all time, I think he has to be on the first unit PK. Take your pick of which of Vasiliev/Blake to leave up/move down. Your Dmen will be strong on both units no matter which way you go. What forward is filling in if one of your guys is in the box?

Overall: The blueline is the strongest part of this team, and the second line is the weakest part. I would've liked to have seen a stronger two-way/defensive player on the 4th line LW. That being said, this team has physicality up and down the lineup so they will wear you down in a 7 game series. Opponents that are soft will be in trouble. I also really like the first line. A strong entry.
 

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Thanks for the review Hawkey Town, hoping to get another review or 2 in before we get to the playoffs in this.
 

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Thanks for the review Hawkey Town, hoping to get another review or 2 in before we get to the playoffs in this.

Speaking of which, when will voting be? Since last weekend was a "holiday weekend" here in the states I wouldn't mind giving everyone this weekend to do more assassinations and then vote on Monday/Tuesday.

What does everyone else think?
 

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Yup, I think having the voting start on Monday/Tuesday works. And great job with the assassinations so far guys.
 
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I agree. I think we should start the voting now.
Agreed. This may sound like bull, but I've been so sick that Wednesday is the last time I worked. And this is after getting the flu shot.
 

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So, we're now entering the voting part of this?

Yes, I would say let's move on to voting now. Hawkey Town 18 and Hawkman are in favour of it and I don't think tony d minds either. That's 3 out of 6. So please send me your votes and remember to vote yourself first. Ret, ResilientBeast, and King Forsberg have been PMed about voting.
 
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John LeClair -- Evgeni Malkin --- Sergei Makarov
Ilya Kovalchuk -- Bobby Clarke (C) --- Jarome Iginla
Bill Barber -- Adam Oates --- Martin St. Louis
Keith Tkachuk --- Mike Modano --- Daniel Alfredsson

Raymond Bourque (A) --- Chris Chelios (A)
Scott Niedermayer --- Chris Pronger
Kimmo Timonen --- Eric Desjardins

Patrick Roy
John Vanbiesbrouck

PP1
LeClair -- Oates -- St. Louis
Kovalchuk -- Bourque

PP2
Makarov -- Malkin -- Iginla
Neidermayer -- Pronger

PK1
Barber -- Clarke
Chelios -- Pronger

PK2
Modano -- Alfredsson
Timonen --Bourque

Thought I should give this team a full review before voting...

Forwards
1st Line: Since Malkin is your #2 center he is easily the weakest 1st line center in this. As far as #2's go he's also below average considering guys like Yzerman, Forsberg, Crosby, and Dionne are #2's in this draft. Makarov is a solid 1st line RW and the best player on this line. Leclair isn't out of place on a 1st line, but IMO he's below average as well. Overall this is the weakest 1st line in the draft, the offensive chemistry is good in terms of having players that will work well together, but the line is lacking in defense, which could be a problem if they get matched up with other 1st lines in this with more talent.

2nd Line: Well the disadvantage of having your #2 on the 1st line gives you a large advantage with your #1 on this line. Clarke is easily the best 2nd line center in this, and would be a solid 1st liner. Iginla is a great fit next to Clarke...he'll do the boardwork and can stand up for Clarke when he needs it (and he will). Iginla is a great 2nd line RW in this, and wouldn't be out of place on a 1st line IMO. Kovalchuk is always tricky to build around, but his offense is great for a 2nd line LW in this. Clarke is the defensive player you want next to him. Something that could be a problem is that there may not be enough puck to go around with both Clarke and Kovalchuk being guys that like to be the main puck handler of their line. Overall it's still a very good 2nd line with 2 players that could be 1st liners.

3rd Line: This looks to be the line that will primarily face the other teams' best. If that is in fact the plan, I like Modano as the center over Oates. Oates may be the better player overall, but I think Modano is much better defensively. Also, St. Louis and Oates are both primarily playmakers, so I like separating them. Speaking of St. Louis, he is an elite 3rd liner, who is easily good enough to be on a 2nd line. Barber will bring some grit and is also a plus defensively, although not very good or elite. I think with Modano in the middle this would be a good two-way third line that will be a threat to score.

4th Line: The trend continues with a great RW in Alfredsson who should be a 3rd liner (your team easily has the best RW depth in the draft). IMO Alfredsson is a very versatile player who can be either a playmaker or goal scorer, so I think he fits with Oates better than St. Louis. Oates is a great 4th liner, who is not a liability defensively. Tkachuk is a solid 4th liner who brings grit and goalscoring to this line, which is exactly what it needs. Overall a well built 4th line.

Defense
1st Pair: In the running for the best top pair in the draft. Bourque - Chelios will be miserable to play against defensively and will also get the offense going the other way. Also a great fit with eachother, LHS-RHS, Chelios more defense oriented, Bourque more offense, but they each can do both.

2nd Pair: Another very good pairing. IMO Niedermayer was a steal when you took him as he's better than a few guys who went before him. Pronger is a low-end #2/high-end #3 in this. These guys have proven chemistry together and are a strong pair.

3rd Pair: Desjardins is a solid #5. IMO Timonen is a lower end #6, but with such a strong top pair these two won't be playing much and are fine for their roles.

Goaltending
A very strong defense backed up by an elite goalie. As I said before, IMO Roy/Hasek are in a 1a/1b situation for the best goalie in the draft. Beezer is a fine backup that won't be out of place in that role.

Special Teams
PP1: Makarov is the best offensive player on your team, he needs to be on your 1st unit for St. Louis who again doesn't fit well with Oates in terms of too much playmaking, not enough goalscoring. Leclair is a good net front guy, but I like Iginla even better. Up front you're going to be weaker than most 1st units, but you are solid on the blueline...Bourque is one of the best PP pointmen of all time, and Kovalchuk is a dangerous threat as well.

PP2: So if you make the changes I said above I'd go with Leclair - Clarke - Malkin up front on this line. Clarke is too good offensively to leave out, and he's phenomenal at faceoffs which are key on the PP. It feels weird leaving MSL off, maybe put him or Malkin on the point and take out Niedermayer, who I believe didn't play a lot of special teams in his career. Pronger is a great pointman on a second unit.

PK1: Clarke is an elite PKer. I don't know much about Barber's PKing, but a quick hockey-reference check shows him with SH goals almost every year, so he was definitely on the PK. Chelios and Pronger are both great PKers who will make it absolutely miserable for the opposition to be in front of your net. Bourque would be fine here too, but I like having him on the second unit to conserve energy. You need to switch Chelios/Pronger so they are on the correct sides (Pronger-left, Chelios-right).

PK2: Modano is a very good PKer here. Alfredsson is a bit like Barber for me, I know he plays on the PK, but I just don't know how good he is. Either way I think he's fine, just don't know if he's great or not. Bourque is a real luxury on a 2nd unit. From what I remember Timonen is a good PKer, athough he's small, and I just don't think he's as good as Niedermayer. Doesn't matter much though, this will be a solid unit either way.

Overall: A team with great defense and goaltending...the best combination of the two in the draft IMO, but also one of the weakest teams up front, so you're probably going to play a lot of low scoring games. You have a good amount of toughness/grit throughout the lineup which will make this team difficult to play against. I really think Modano should be on the 3rd line. A good entry.
 

Elvis P

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I'm going to wait to vote until tomorrow to give people time to make any lineup changes.
I'm adding Mogilny for offense and dropping Rolston. My new lineup is:

Luc Robitaille---Mario Lemieux (C) ---Teemu Selanne
Markus Naslund---Doug Gilmour---Jari Kurri
Craig Ramsay---Rod Brind'Amour---Dirk Graham
Don Marcotte---Guy Carbonneau---Alexander Mogilny

Denis Potvin (A) --- Larry Robinson (A)
Borje Salming --- Rod Langway
Larry Murphy--- Doug Wilson

Martin Brodeur
Tom Barrasso

PP1
Luc Robitaille---Mario Lemieux (C) ---Teemu Selanne
Denis Potvin (A) --- Larry Robinson (A)

PP2
Markus Naslund---Doug Gilmour---Jari Kurri
Borje Salming - Larry Murphy

PK1
Craig Ramsay - Guy Carbonneau
Rod Langway - Larry Robinson

PK2
Rod BrindAmour---Dirk Graham
Borje Salming - Denis Potvin

Extra PK
Don Marcotte
 

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