Confirmed Trade: [NJD/WSH] Jonas Siegenthaler to NJD for 2021 3rd round pick

[Mickey Marner]

which will require JS be re-signed by NJD before Expansion draft
merely being RFA is only adequate for exposed Goalies (who also dont have minimum GP threshold)

Expansion Draft FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Minimum Exposure Requirements

Or just expose Subban.

 

[AfroThunder396]

New Jersey?

how so

NJ only has three defensemen signed for next season, they want to protect 3 and expose 1.

Now NJ can protect Severson, Subban, and Sieg while exposing Butcher who has been a healthy scratch all season. Ty Smith is not expansion draft eligible.

This also probably means at least one of Murray and Kulikov will be traded, they are both UFA.

 

[Zippy316]

They needed a defenseman to meet the exposure requirements for Seattle.

They needed someone to protect is more accurate.

Butcher is almost certainly being left off the protection list. Subban could be as well if the Devils want to try to free up some space.

 

[Mickey Marner]

The Devils have nine defenseman meeting requirements for exposure

im not sure where you are getting your information from

Capfriendly is where I'm getting my information.

Seattle Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[AfroThunder396]

Or just expose Subban.

Why would they expose a guy who playing 22 minutes a night and is on a ~40 point pace when they are approximately $100 billion below the cap?

 

[tfriede2]

The Devils have nine defenseman meeting requirements for exposure

im not sure where you are getting your information from

They have 3. See here. Seattle Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[HBK27]

Only Subban, Severson and Butcher meet the exposure requirements, but you have to protect three and expose one, so they added Siegenthaler.

They could've gone 8-1 and protected six forwards, I guess. But that's a bit extreme.

So they could've easily exposed Butcher or Subban and used one of the 3 protection spots on a number of other players in the system, such as Colton White.

There's a difference between the players that meet the exposure requirement vs. players that can be protected.

 

[Djp]

They needed a defenseman to meet the exposure requirements for Seattle.

that was my thought to owhen I saw this. He meets the game requirement. Right now they have 3 Dman under contract who they’d protect and others are exempt or ufas

 

[crab]

On the surface it seems weird for a team that thinks they have a chance at a cup to trade away a defenseman right before the playoffs. Usually teams want as much depth at d as possible. Maybe they have another trade in the works.

They have TVR and Ferhervary should probably be in the NHL at this point. Alexeyev also had a pretty solid season in the KHL and is coming over to Hershey.

I think they have enough depth unless they get hit really hard by injuries.

 

[Hockey Fanatik]

Capfriendly is where I'm getting my information.

Seattle Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

NJ only has three defensemen signed for next season, they want to protect 3 and expose 1.

Now NJ can protect Severson, Subban, and Sieg while exposing Butcher who has been a healthy scratch all season. Ty Smith is not expansion draft eligible.

This also probably means at least one of Murray and Kulikov will be traded, they are both UFA.

Expansion draft does not require players be signed past this season, since it takes place before July 1st. Players like Kulikov and Murray can be exposed, as well as Ben Street and others

the Devils have twelve eligible defenseman and, even if im wrong and they need to be signed, can simply sign one of our AHL defenseman and expose them.

this is ALL NA pro games, not just the NHL. So if Im understanding it correctly, this deal has absolutely nothing to do with expansion and we simply wanted him.

besides, we were always going to expose Butcher

 

[Brodeur]

Why is a contending team trading defensive depth for a pick?

Michal Kempny appears to be close-ish to returning, so they may have needed to clear a roster spot.

 

[Springfield Isotopes]

Solid defensive D, excellent PKer, no offense, decent physical presence. Best of luck, Siege.

If thats true, gold is runing out of your mouth.. Devils PK have been very poor. Big kid who can play D. Great pick up

 

[Mickey Marner]

Why would they expose a guy who playing 22 minutes a night and is on a ~40 point pace when they are approximately $100 billion below the cap?

Because Seattle wouldn't select him with that cap hit.

I don't personally care who New Jersey does or doesn't expose. I'm sure they'll do what they think is best.

 

[HBK27]

If I had to guess, this would seem to be a player NJ traded for that they think has a future within their system and is willing to use one of their 3 defensive protection spots on, likely exposing Butcher to meet the expansion requirement while protecting Siegenthaler, Severson & Subban.

 

[Zippy316]

Expansion draft does not require players be signed past this season, since it takes place before July 1st. Players like Kulikov and Murray can be exposed, as well as Ben Street and others

the Devils have twelve eligible defenseman and, even if im wrong and they need to be signed, can simply sign one of our AHL defenseman and expose them.

this is ALL NA pro games, not just the NHL. So if Im understanding it correctly, this deal has absolutely nothing to do with expansion and we simply wanted him.

besides, we were always going to expose Butcher

Teams have to leave at least one defender and I believe two forwards signed past this season who have played in either 27(?) games this season or a combined 50 games over the last two seasons.

Butcher fills the slot for defense for the Devils. They may need to sign a depth forward like Merkley/Bastian to extensions to fulfill the contract obligation part for their forwards.

 

[cwede]

Expansion draft does not require players be signed past this season, since it takes place before July 1st. Players like Kulikov and Murray can be exposed, as well as Ben Street and others
the Devils have twelve eligible defenseman and, even if i'm wrong and they need to be signed, can simply sign one of our AHL defenseman and expose them.
this is ALL NA pro games, not just the NHL. So if I'm understanding it correctly, this deal has absolutely nothing to do with expansion and we simply wanted him.
besides, we were always going to expose Butcher

the REQUIRED SKATERS exposed must be SIGNED for next season
Expansion Draft FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Minimum Exposure Requirements
Teams must expose a minimum number of players that meet the following criteria for selection in the upcoming
Forwards 2
under contract in 2021-22, AND
played in 27 or more NHL games last season, OR
played in 54 or more NHL games in the last two seasons
Defense 1
under contract in 2021-22, AND
played in 27 or more NHL games last season, OR
played in 54 or more NHL games in the last two seasons

agreed NJD could protect a D who does not meet those minimums,
such as Colton White who was cited above
BUT the exposure required minimums are more strict

Yes, if "we were always going to expose Butcher" then they were already in compliance at D

 

[Hockey Fanatik]

Teams have to leave at least one defender and I believe two forwards signed past this season who have played in either 27(?) games this season or a combined 50 games over the last two seasons.

Butcher fills the slot for defense for the Devils. They may need to sign a depth forward like Merkley/Bastian to extensions to fulfill the contract obligation part for their forwards.

Ah I get it now

apologies @AfroThunder396 and @Korg

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

NJ are buyers, look out

 

[Hockey Fanatik]

Still really like the pickup

big defensive dman whos friendly with our Captain, lack of opportunity in WSH, and Fitz and the analytics department must really like him to protect him (granted we arent losing anyone notable)

 

[AfroThunder396]

Because Seattle wouldn't select him with that cap hit.

I don't personally care who New Jersey does or doesn't expose. I'm sure they'll do what they think is best.

It just seems like a lot of people want to bury Subban for no reason, he's been quite good this season and NJ has nearly infinite cap space. He's also the oldest player remaining on the Devils now (at 30) that Zajac and Palmieri have been traded and provides valuable leadership to a young team.

NJ is going to expose Butcher because he's terrible and has been a healthy scratch all season.

 

[devils29]

This is the type of defenseman the devils need. Big solid defenseman who gives no offensive output. Honestly could be exactly what we need and the gamble is only a 3rd so win win

 

[HBK27]

This appears to be reminiscent of the Mirco Mueller deal NJ made before the Vegas expansion draft, though fortunately they gave up less than the 2nd & 4th rounder he cost them.

I figured that Fitzgerald would make a deal for a young defenseman that they could use an expansion protection spot on (which the selling team would not be able to do), but was hoping he would've gotten a better player back. At least it didn't cost too much.

 

[Mickey Marner]

It just seems like a lot of people want to bury Subban for no reason, he's been quite good this season and NJ has nearly infinite cap space. He's also the oldest player remaining on the Devils now (at 30) that Zajac and Palmieri have been traded and provides valuable leadership to a young team.

NJ is going to expose Butcher because he's terrible and has been a healthy scratch all season.

Subban was just an example, wasn't trying to bury him.

 

[Mike Jones]

it was conditional from the hall trade
2021 conditional round round pick (first round if Coyotes advance to second round of 2020 playoffs and Hall re-signs with Coyotes, second round if Coyotes advance to second round of 2020 playoffs or if Hall re-signs with Coyotes, else third round) (?-

At first I thought you were serious. And then I thought you were joking. Now I'm not so sure...

If the conditions are met Washington gets a first?

 

[Jannik Hansen]

It just seems like a lot of people want to bury Subban for no reason, he's been quite good this season and NJ has nearly infinite cap space. He's also the oldest player remaining on the Devils now (at 30) that Zajac and Palmieri have been traded and provides valuable leadership to a young team.

NJ is going to expose Butcher because he's terrible and has been a healthy scratch all season.

Having 9 million cleared off the Devil's books would be pretty significant. They could make some strong additions with that space.