NHL prospect career in jeopardy over video game addiction

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I feel like there is too much focus on the "very very prominent franchise" comment.

Most commentators would consider any NHL team "prominent".

I'm not sure. He could just say "a franchise". NYR, TOR, MTL, BOS, CHI, PIT, etc.. are WAY more prominent that CAR, AZ, FLA, etc...

 

[BlueBull]

Ryan Pilon?
Oh wait, that was in 2015...

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I'm not sure. He could just say "a franchise". NYR, TOR, MTL, BOS, CHI, PIT, etc.. are WAY more prominent that CAR, AZ, FLA, etc...

Given the tendencies of the hockey press, you can be sure that the phrase "very, very prominent franchise" is shorthand for either a Canadian team or an Original Six US franchise.

 

[Romkey]

As someone who's played a crapload of games my whole life, there's no such thing as an addiction. It's a pastime. Playing too much of it is laziness and little else. This is almost insulting to people suffering with other genuine addictions.

Whoever this is lacks the right work ethic, he's not addicted to anything. Not to say he has problems, but this will be a symptom of something else - more possibly depression.

What gives you the right to dictate what is and isn't an addiction? Video games cause the release of endorphins, causing you to feel pleasure. A drug functions almost the exact same way, so saying that just because you didn't have an addiction is ignorant.

You might be able to drink alcohol every day without having an "addiction", whereas someone who drinks three times a week could be fighting an addiction. To say everyone should be the same as you is just plain stupid. Obviously it's a problem if he had to get counselling and if it's influencing his work habits. Give your head a shake

 

[These Are The Days]

lol at the idea of the Lightning being very prominent. If it's us then anyone is prominent. The only truly prominent non-O6 teams are Philly, Pittsburgh, Washington and Buffalo. You can maybe make a case for the Blues for a prominent Western team.

 

[tarheelhockey]

As someone who's played a crapload of games my whole life, there's no such thing as an addiction. It's a pastime. Playing too much of it is laziness and little else. This is almost insulting to people suffering with other genuine addictions.

Whoever this is lacks the right work ethic, he's not addicted to anything. Not to say he has problems, but this will be a symptom of something else - more possibly depression.

What a horribly ignorant take.

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

Eh, video game addiction is real, man. I know people who have lost their jobs, destroyed the marriages and ruined their relationships with their families because of gaming, mostly online. These people were not depressed or mentally ill any other way. Do you also think gambling problems exist only because of mental health issues? Video games are created to be as addictive as possible these days with the help of top-notch psychological professionals.

Video game addiction (VGA) has been suggested by some in the medical community as a distinct behavioral addiction characterized by excessive or compulsive use of computer games or video games that interferes with a person's everyday life. Video game addiction may present itself as compulsive gaming, social isolation, mood swings, diminished imagination, and hyper-focus on in-game achievements, to the exclusion of other events in life

It can even kill you or people around you.

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/19/world/taiwan-gamer-death/index.html

Gaming to death: What turns hobby into health hazard? - CNN

Video Game Addiction Blamed for Baby’s Death

edit. If you are interested in the reward system they use in games, you should read this.

https://www.pluralsight.com/blog/film-games/keep-players-engaged-rewards-medals-play-key-factor-game

It's basically all about getting the player hooked on the dopamine rushes that the game gives you.

 

[ricky0034]

lol at the idea of the Lightning being very prominent. If it's us then anyone is prominent. The only truly prominent non-O6 teams are Philly, Pittsburgh, Washington and Buffalo. You can maybe make a case for the Blues for a prominent Western team.

Buffalo?

 

[Rodgerwilco]

As someone who's played a crapload of games my whole life, there's no such thing as an addiction. It's a pastime. Playing too much of it is laziness and little else. This is almost insulting to people suffering with other genuine addictions.

Whoever this is lacks the right work ethic, he's not addicted to anything. Not to say he has problems, but this will be a symptom of something else - more possibly depression.

This is nothing short of ignorance.

It is pretty widely accepted among the Psychological and academic community that Internet (and more specifically Video Game) addiction is a real thing. Video gaming addiction is still in its early stages of research, but even the DSM lists it in a category entitled "Conditions for further study"... It typically takes decades of research for a particular subject that have enough research on it.

The World Health Organization will include Video Game disorder as a new Mental Health condition in their 2018 edition.

Video game addiction is likely an impulse control disorder, in the same category as compulsive shopping or gambling.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

Could it be Max Jones with Anaheim?

 

[1865]

Blankety blank.

 

[These Are The Days]

Buffalo?

Given the fact they've actually been featured in outdoor games? Yes. They're not a sexy mainstream market like Philly but if they are important enough to be an prime time original 6/Metro combo breaker then I would consider them prominent indeed. Teams like the Lightning will eventually go back to sucking and the big box media will go right back to forgetting we exist.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I’ve been there, I’ve experienced it first hand so ignorance it is not. It probably directly cost me a job once so please, less of the ‘ignorance’ comment.

Impulse control is a good term for it. I class this in the same pack as Facebook and television addiction - a symptom of another problem rather than an outright addiction of its own.

As someone who has seen first hand the effect of alcohol addiction, I find it offensive to class them as the same thing. They’re worlds apart.

Also, I’m not going to derail this thread. You clearly believe different to me and that’s your right. I feel strongly the opposite. I’ve made my point so let’s call it a day.

Video games are literally designed to be addictive. They create a dependency on the stimulation a person gets from “success” in the game, which is rooted in the same neurological reactions that the person might otherwise experience during normal life functions like exercise, sex, socializing. After a certain amount of time, the person becomes dependent on the game to keep providing that chemical stimulation — similar to someone who’s addicted to sex or gambling.

It is NOT similar to watching too much television and it is NOT a character flaw like laziness or impulsiveness. “Addiction” is the correct word for it. You are wrong on those counts, to the point that “agree to disagree” is not a legitimate answer.

 

[King Weber]

Could it be Max Jones with Anaheim?

"This guy is a good player and was a high pick – and I’m probably saying too much right there"

the way he said that makes it sound like someone who went a little bit higher than 24.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

bwahaha I definitely think it could be Juolevi. There's no doubt he's progressed poorly since his draft season. Sami Salo, who coached him at Turku this year, had some very pointed comments about the amount of work he had to do in order to make the NHL. He was healthy scratched through the season. The Bouchard audio makes it sound like he accidentally talked about a known problem he's supposed to keep quiet about. This is some juicy shit

anyhow time to go wash the stink of the main boards off

 

[M2Beezy]

Better not be Juolevi

 

[Hansen]

I'm not sure if Juolevi makes much sense to be honest, he has had a pretty solid season in the Liiga this year and his OHL stats from last year look pretty good as well. Maybe this is an outdated concern and he fixed it, but I wouldn't call Juolevi a "write off". Not saying that anyone is wrong for guessing him, but his stats look way too impressive for me to think it's fair to call him a write off.

When you're reading what Marek said, you think that it's a former high 1st rounder of a prominent team who's having a bad junior season (or multiple bad junior seasons). I can't really find anyone who fits that.

There have been a lot of allusions to character issues with Juolevi over the past couple years and it has never been made explicit exactly what those issues are.

Probably not juolevi considering he had an excellent season this year.

He was a healthy scratch at times and was flat out called out by Sami Salo as not being even close to NHL ready

 

[Big McLargehuge]

As someone who's played a crapload of games my whole life, there's no such thing as an addiction. It's a pastime.

That's not for you to decide.

Pittsburgh are far more prominent than Arizona though.

Which makes me oddly happy, given the last Pens 1st round pick was Kasperi Kapanen.

 

[Tawnos]

I’ve been there, I’ve experienced it first hand so ignorance it is not. It probably directly cost me a job once so please, less of the ‘ignorance’ comment.

Impulse control is a good term for it. I class this in the same pack as Facebook and television addiction - a symptom of another problem rather than an outright addiction of its own.

As someone who has seen first hand the effect of alcohol addiction, I find it offensive to class them as the same thing. They’re worlds apart.

Also, I’m not going to derail this thread. You clearly believe different to me and that’s your right. I feel strongly the opposite. I’ve made my point so let’s call it a day.

I think you’re conflating addiction and chemical dependence. Chemical dependence is a type of addiction, but it doesn’t represent all addiction.

There are other addictions that are not based on chemical dependence. Gambling, for example.

 

[hockeyguy1967]

It is Juolevi. Friend of mine knows much about it. He has toned it down a lot this last year or so. Before he would play games all night and get like 2 hours sleep a night.

 

[branch]

As someone who's played a crapload of games my whole life, there's no such thing as an addiction. It's a pastime. Playing too much of it is laziness and little else. This is almost insulting to people suffering with other genuine addictions.

Whoever this is lacks the right work ethic, he's not addicted to anything. Not to say he has problems, but this will be a symptom of something else - more possibly depression.

Wow did this take ever back fire eh...zero agreement from anyone. Might be the first time in HF history consensus was reached.

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

Video games are literally designed to be addictive. They create a dependency on the stimulation a person gets from “success” in the game, which is rooted in the same neurological reactions that the person might otherwise experience during normal life functions like exercise, sex, socializing. After a certain amount of time, the person becomes dependent on the game to keep providing that chemical stimulation — similar to someone who’s addicted to sex or gambling.

It is NOT similar to watching too much television and it is NOT a character flaw like laziness or impulsiveness. “Addiction” is the correct word for it. You are wrong on those counts, to the point that “agree to disagree” is not a legitimate answer.

Thank you for writing this, that other post was pissing me the f*** off.

He's flat out wrong, addiction is absolutely the correct term and science has proved that. Offended that it's put into the same category as alcohol? Both can and have ruined lives.

 

[Coffey]

Is this worse than a prospect being addicted to drugs?

 

[sabresEH]

Maybe that is why he went over to Finland for this past season

EDIT: I meant to quote the guy who said it was Juolevi. @hockeyguy1121

EDIT 2: After looking at the last two drafts my guesses are Juolevi or Rasmussen

 

[belair]

Recent, high pick. Prominent team. Good junior player. 'I've just said too much'.

Elite Prospects - NHL Entry Draft 2016

It's Juolevi.