World Cup: NHL/NHLPA discussing 2024 World Cup

[Albatros]

The World Championships aren't going to take place every four years, that wouldn't be compatible with the lower levels of competition in particular.

 

[OskarOskarius]

The World Championships aren't going to take place every four years, that wouldn't be compatible with the lower levels of competition in particular.

Why would the NHL care? It’s not like minor league players would play in the WHC.

 

[Albatros]

Why would the NHL care? It’s not like minor league players would play in the WHC.

The IIHF is not going to surrender the World Championships to the NHL.

 

[heksagon]

You're making a strong argument why the NHL should avoid Europe with such a tournament.

Nobody in North America is gonna pay money to see team Germany get smashed.

Quality on ice product is a top concern for the NHL.

I'd argue, watching a team getting smashed is more of a gimmick as there's zero intention of watching competitive hockey.




Again you're conflating team north America with team Europe etc. Not having McDavid and Crosby together defeated the whole purpose of the thing.

Do you think anyone cares if team Germany shows up, people are not gonna buy tickets to a 1 sided match. Team Europe was at worst pointless, at best top tier talent. Team germany is automatically bottom tier talent. Not to mention the issue of having non union members beating up NHL stars.

A world cup is a hard thing to promote, it takes time to build up tradition, but the payoff is massive.

I think that's a bit disrespectful to Team Germany. Just having one of the best centers (Draisaitl) AND defenders (Seider) in the literal World disqualifies them from being bottom tier talent. Yeah, they lack the depth of the top countries, and they'd most likely lose, but it wouldn't automatically be a blowout. Have people forgotten that Switzerland has beaten Canada in a best on best tournament? Upsets might happen, and that is one of the most exciting things about sports to me. In general, I feel like people underrate what Germany and Switzerland can bring in a best on best, with good coaching and a lot of effort they are able to pull of upsets or at least hard fought close games.

In a one game elimination tournament not all the teams need to be of equal level on paper to make it exciting. Nobody cares about a Team Europe, but the Swiss care a lot about their NT etc.

 

[THE JAM]

Sweden is way to good to play a qualifier against Latvia.

You mean like Sweden was way too good to play against Belarus in the 2002 best-on-best Olympics?

 

[Canuckistani]

This is my hope as well.

And why would the NHL/NHLPA want teams made up of non-NHLers participating anyway? Simultaneously excluding stars like Kopitar just because their national teams aren't competitive.

They should also have the top seven team in each conference qualify for the NHL payoffs and have an eighth team made up of the best players from the other teams that didn't qualify.

Why exclude players like McDavid just because their club team isn't competitive?

 

[Czechboy]

I've said it should be top 8 by ranking... Czechs and Germans just got blown out of Olympics... they might not be Top 8 anymore after the Olympics.

 

[Janvonpobben]

You mean like Sweden was way too good to play against Belarus in the 2002 best-on-best Olympics?

Or best of best Canada getting knocked out by swiss in 2006...

 

[Eye of Ra]

You mean like Sweden was way too good to play against Belarus in the 2002 best-on-best Olympics?

finland lost to sweden in world cup 1996, og 2006, og 2010, og 2014, world cup 2016

finland is not good enough for a best on best tournament with your own logic.

 

[Mr Kanadensisk]

Six teams (CAN,USA,FIN,SWE,RUS,CZE).
Everyone plays each other once, top two teams have a best of 3 game final
Host city of Stockholm

 

[Mr Kanadensisk]

next time have a host city on the eastern side of NA. Start the games with only euro teams at mid-day so they will be on in primetime in Europe

 

[lawrence]

Or best of best Canada getting knocked out by swiss in 2006...

That Swiss team had 1 nhler.

 

[lawrence]

Six teams (CAN,USA,FIN,SWE,RUS,CZE).
Everyone plays each other once, top two teams have a best of 3 game final
Host city of Stockholm

would love that. Not sure why Toronto thinks they get to host it in their city all the time.

 

[BMann]

I think that's a bit disrespectful to Team Germany. Just having one of the best centers (Draisaitl) AND defenders (Seider) in the literal World disqualifies them from being bottom tier talent. Yeah, they lack the depth of the top countries, and they'd most likely lose, but it wouldn't automatically be a blowout. Have people forgotten that Switzerland has beaten Canada in a best on best tournament? Upsets might happen, and that is one of the most exciting things about sports to me. In general, I feel like people underrate what Germany and Switzerland can bring in a best on best, with good coaching and a lot of effort they are able to pull of upsets or at least hard fought close games.

In a one game elimination tournament not all the teams need to be of equal level on paper to make it exciting. Nobody cares about a Team Europe, but the Swiss care a lot about their NT etc.

Forty years ago Finland were fairly weak, Sweden were just emerging as a competitive team. All teams take time to develop. Programmes are going well in Germany, Denmark, Hungary and nascent ones in several other nations. We need a WC to make sure national sides can have aspirations as to where they want to be in two decades. It's been a shame that domestic development has been penalized for example Denmark that when they need their best players the NHL won't release them for qualification.

The likes of Draisaitl, Stutzle and Seider for instance may well not be available for Germany at a WC thanks to the NHL which is detrimental to Germany going forward and two fingers to all the hard work federations and clubs in those countries do. They take the youngsters for a pittance as well.

 

[WaW]

It's Bettman so Im sure we'll get this:


Group A

Europe
Scandinavia
Slavic Team
Spengler Cup Champions

Group B

Canada
USA
Norh America U-23
Arizona Coyotes

 

[Czechboy]

My takeaway - they haven't even talked to the IIHF yet.lol

 

[takimaki]

My takeaway - they haven't even talked to the IIHF yet.lol

If the IIHF is not a part of the new World Cup, it’s not a real replacement for hockey at the Olympics - It’s just an NHL tournament.

If Bettman really wanted to screw the IOC, he’d get it right this time.

 

[Raimo Sillanpää]

Ideally the World Cup would rotate, be a single max 2-city event and every second time in North America and every second time Europe.
Otherwise it’s not a World Cup, it’s the NHL international Cup. And home town winners should have an asterisk next to their name

all other major sports, football, rugby, cricket, have a World Cup every four years and the host nation rotates

 

[AdvancedPressure]

Well, if they do, I hope they do it right this time. No made up teams, no gimmicks, just straight up best on best action.

 

[WarriorofTime]

They should call it the Bettman Cup, nothing "world" about it.

 

[Buck Nasty]

Absolutely no gimmick teams otherwise it’ll be even less watchable than the NHL less Olympics.

That 2016 edition was a complete disaster and just a circus act of a tournament, I’d rather watch the Spengler than a best of 3 with “leftover Europe”.

You really found the 2016 World Cup worse hockey than the last two Olympics.?

I hated the gimmicks but it was VERY good and watchable hockey. These Olympics have been absolute trash hockey.

 

[Buck Nasty]

I can do without nhlers playing internationally. Not even a speck of loss.

Do you watch hockey...

 

[BMacLeafs]

You really found the 2016 World Cup worse hockey than the last two Olympics.?

I hated the gimmicks but it was VERY good and watchable hockey. These Olympics have been absolute trash hockey.

This.

The 2016 World Cup shows that the NHL got it right. All NHL players, no scrubs. The best on the best. I'd like to see this tournament every four years and I know the rest of the hockey world would as well.

 

[Buck Nasty]

would love that. Not sure why Toronto thinks they get to host it in their city all the time.

I don't think Toronto does. Its the NHL. It makes me sick to say nice things about Toronto but they are the biggest hockey city in the world. Big ticket revenue in Toronto. They could support 3 or 4 NHL teams.

 

[Buck Nasty]

I've said it should be top 8 by ranking... Czechs and Germans just got blown out of Olympics... they might not be Top 8 anymore after the Olympics.

If there are 8 teams the Czechs and Germans WILL be there, IIHF rankings not withstanding. If the ranking can't take into account what the Olympics ended up being then they shouldn't be used.

Id prefer a 12 team tournament. Just make it regular (every 4 years) and no gimmicks please.