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Yeah that was a head scratcher for me two. I suspect some players just didn't take it seriously and picked McDavid for any category they could. McDavid has terrible defensive metrics.

Also, that seems like a bit of a reputation award from what I hear about Tampa. They say that Hedman is still elite offensively but has fallen off defensively.
Quite frankly it just shows how undervalued defensive defensemen are in this league that even the players can't recognize who the good ones are, and put an offensive forward at #2.

Makes me think that someone like Pesce could be in for a rude awakening in FA this summer
 

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Yeah that was a head scratcher for me two. I suspect some players just didn't take it seriously and picked McDavid for any category they could. McDavid has terrible defensive metrics.

Also, that seems like a bit of a reputation award from what I hear about Tampa. They say that Hedman is still elite offensively but has fallen off defensively.

My guess - 9.5% of players misread the question as "which player is most difficult to play against in your own end" and picked McDavid.

Especially since it doesn't seem as if that version of the question was asked elsewhere.
 

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My guess - 9.5% of players misread the question as "which player is most difficult to play against in your own end" and picked McDavid.

Especially since it doesn't seem as if that version of the question was asked elsewhere.
Ah, that's definitely the case. You ought to start by phrasing it "In the defensive zone, who would you least like to play against" so it's more clear. You're talking to professional athletes, not Harvard students (unless you're talking to Jarvis LOL).
 

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Ah, that's definitely the case. You ought to start by phrasing it "In the defensive zone, who would you least like to play against" so it's more clear. You're talking to professional athletes, not Harvard students (unless you're talking to Jarvis LOL).

That’s not clear either, maybe even worse lol. That’s even more worded toward “who do you not want to defend?” instead of “who do you not want defending you?”
 

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Still no subtitles so here is a short summary of NHLWAM Part 2:
- Drury is a lot in KK's sauna. Others too to some extent. They have a sauna club in the team.
- At least Burns and Staal have saunas
- TT is still living in an apartment building because he has been sure for five years that he is going to be traded. So no point buying a house. He was laughing that TDL is a couple of days away, so his phone can ring at any moment.
- Burns has a coffee machine and half of his life with him when traveling. TT has a backbag.
- BBQ was mentioned. Aho recommended Prime Barbecue which is owned by Slavins friend
- Aho learned to speak better english by playing cards with other team members. First year he wasn't invited to the card table.

These are not in order because I wrote in the order that I remembered them.
 

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"Reporters Don't Pay Attention To Shit" Part 8,576:

Stu Grimson on "On the Fly" this morning: "The Canes are near the top in getting offense from the back end. Slavin, Burns, Skjei, and De Angelo -- that's a great top four. And all of them are excellent at the defensive side too."
I was watching NHL Network in a hotel recently for a while and he seems to have taken a few too many punches to the head. Zero useful insight, as far as I can tell.
 

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I was watching NHL Network in a hotel recently for a while and he seems to have taken a few too many punches to the head. Zero useful insight, as far as I can tell.

Never trust anyone. :naughty:

It's Gell-Mann Amnesia effect: We hear wrong shit about the Canes and go "you guys don't know a thing." Then we hear "Connor Bedard may have Stage 4 Brain Cloud!" and go "WOW WHO KNEW!"
 

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I could kinda understand being confused about Deangelo, he was a big part of the 22 team and it was big-ish news when they brought him back in and if you weren’t paying super close attention you probably just assume he’s getting some playing time. What I can’t understand is including him in the statement “excellent on the defensive side of the puck”
 

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Never trust anyone. :naughty:

It's Gell-Mann Amnesia effect: We hear wrong shit about the Canes and go "you guys don't know a thing." Then we hear "Connor Bedard may have Stage 4 Brain Cloud!" and go "WOW WHO KNEW!"
I'm just thinking it's lazy commentators. Oh it's Carolina so everyone on defense must be good at defense
 
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I could kinda understand being confused about Deangelo, he was a big part of the 22 team and it was big-ish news when they brought him back in and if you weren’t paying super close attention you probably just assume he’s getting some playing time. What I can’t understand is including him in the statement “excellent on the defensive side of the puck”

It’s a big league, rosters are too big, and and there are too many games. Nobody is legitimately following every team all the time.

We end up with two classes of commentators: the ones who watch the prime-time teams and rely on name recognition to decide that TDA is a two-way stud, and the ones who crunch data to determine that the best defenseman in the league is Josh Manson.
 

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It’s a big league, rosters are too big, and and there are too many games. Nobody is legitimately following every team all the time.

We end up with two classes of commentators: the ones who watch the prime-time teams and rely on name recognition to decide that TDA is a two-way stud, and the ones who crunch data to determine that the best defenseman in the league is Josh Manson.
Ironically Josh Manson has helped my fantasy team this year.
 

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Was just about to post this. Confirms a lot of what we were already guessing at:

- There was a serious threat of relocation in the first year and a half after he bought the team. Waddell convinced him to stay the course.
- His negotiation tactics are brutal, but he’s apparently softened up a little lately. That quote from Forslund was damning though.
- He doesn’t care about the rest of the league, only about the Hurricanes. Bettman said his laser focus is “great, if you’re a Hurricanes fan”
- He’s probably a big reason (if not THE big reason) we’re getting jobbed by the officiating, since he contacts Bettman and the head of officiating after every game about questionable calls.
 

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Was just about to post this. Confirms a lot of what we were already guessing at:

- There was a serious threat of relocation in the first year and a half after he bought the team. Waddell convinced him to stay the course.
- His negotiation tactics are brutal, but he’s apparently softened up a little lately. That quote from Forslund was damning though.
- He doesn’t care about the rest of the league, only about the Hurricanes. Bettman said his laser focus is “great, if you’re a Hurricanes fan”
- He’s probably a big reason (if not THE big reason) we’re getting jobbed by the officiating, since he contacts Bettman and the head of officiating after every game about questionable calls.
Is it damning or just forslund wrong for thinking his time here mattered? It didn’t when it came to covid pay for a team with crappy sponsorship money income. 1 broadcaster understood the situation and another didn’t. Oh well
 

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Is it damning or just forslund wrong for thinking his time here mattered? It didn’t when it came to covid pay for a team with crappy sponsorship money income. 1 broadcaster understood the situation and another didn’t. Oh well

Yes, I agree with Forslund that the time he's spent in the organization and the impact he had on the community should have played a factor in negotiations. Dundon apparently disagreed.
 

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I'm confused by the relocation thing because a year and a half after buying the team was the summer of 2019, a month or so after losing in the ECFs and the peak of the Jerks thing. Don Waddell that summer said they had done millions in new business for 2019-2020.

I remember when he bought the team he was really optimistic about everything and did as much for fan engagement as he could. Remember when everyone in the upper deck was invited to sit in the lower deck? I also remember there was some clause that stated he had to commit 7 years or something (arena lease maybe?) to the area before he could potentially relocate the team.

I guess the 2018-19 season really was the season that saved the franchise in more ways than just ending the drought.
 

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As he should disagree. JF just isn’t that important to lose more money during the pandemic.
They don’t say anything about the pandemic in the article, only that there was “zero negotiations”. I didn’t think it was about the pandemic then and I don’t now. He didn’t want to pay more for something that’s not on the ice and someone can do for cheaper. That’s his thing.

He’s never really come off as a guy I’d like to spend time with but he’s paid the bills. He certainly isn’t married to the area it would seem either. I’m glad the team turned it around.
 

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I'm confused by the relocation thing because a year and a half after buying the team was the summer of 2019, a month or so after losing in the ECFs and the peak of the Jerks thing. Don Waddell that summer said they had done millions in new business for 2019-2020.

I remember when he bought the team he was really optimistic about everything and did as much for fan engagement as he could. Remember when everyone in the upper deck was invited to sit in the lower deck? I also remember there was some clause that stated he had to commit 7 years or something (arena lease maybe?) to the area before he could potentially relocate the team.

I guess the 2018-19 season really was the season that saved the franchise in more ways than just ending the drought.
We were bleeding money. We were paying all Aho’s signing bonuses, our ticket prices were low, corporate sponsorship money is really low, our tv deal money is low, and he was spending a ton to get the extras up to nhl standards.
 

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Was just about to post this. Confirms a lot of what we were already guessing at:

- There was a serious threat of relocation in the first year and a half after he bought the team. Waddell convinced him to stay the course.
- His negotiation tactics are brutal, but he’s apparently softened up a little lately. That quote from Forslund was damning though.
- He doesn’t care about the rest of the league, only about the Hurricanes. Bettman said his laser focus is “great, if you’re a Hurricanes fan”
- He’s probably a big reason (if not THE big reason) we’re getting jobbed by the officiating, since he contacts Bettman and the head of officiating after every game about questionable calls.
Your paraphrasing is a bit different from what I read / interpret.

1) "Serious threat" of relocation - Here 's the exact quote.

On multiple occasions, Dundon broached the subject of relocation with Waddell.

“In probably his first year and a half, we might have had two conversations about, ‘Are there other places that might be better?’” Waddell said. “And I kept saying, ‘Let’s give this a chance here.’ Once we got to that point where we got the lease and attendance was getting better, he felt better that we can make it in this market and do well here.”

Certainly losing money had him concerned, but a "serious threat" to me is not asking your GM a couple of times if there are better places. To each their own though.

2) I don't see that quote from Forslund damning. Dundon didn't see a lot of value in announcers (Radio with Chuck and TV with Forslund) and gave them take it or leave it offers.

3) He doesn't care about the rest of the league. Here's the text from that article:

Asked whether Dundon is close with his fellow NHL owners, Commissioner Gary Bettman said that “he likes to focus his energies and intentions and efforts on the Hurricanes and, frankly, if you’re a fan of the Hurricanes, that’s good news.”

Florida Panthers owner Vinnie Viola, who considers Dundon a friend, said he and Dundon have bonded over their mutual penchant for using statistics to drive their business decisions.

“He’s actually kind of shy,” Viola said. “I don’t think people see him that way, but I do. He’s a family, stay-at-home guy.”


I'm guessing most owners focus most of their energy and efforts on their own teams.

4) - He’s probably a big reason (if not THE big reason) we’re getting jobbed by the officiating, since he contacts Bettman and the head of officiating after every game about questionable calls.

It wasn't just about officiating that he contacts Bettman's office.

"Bettman also characterized Dundon as “very hands-on,” noting that his office often hears from the Hurricanes owner multiple times a week.

“Our hockey operations people, our officiating people will hear from him if there’s a call he’s concerned about — after the fact, of course, not during the game,” Bettman said. “He’s always raising good questions about the collective-bargaining agreement and the salary cap and he’s always trying to make sure that the Hurricanes are doing everything possible within the rules to get an edge.”
 

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