No but he is in their league when it comes to never winning anything in the NHL. Besides Duchene has a reputation before he got here, and obviously we have no idea how he handled the home/job balance side of it either. Duchene, although playing decent, may have not exactly been putting in a full effort off the ice.
Trotz said in the press conference that the issue was the 3rd year.
I am just saying the owners have been so cost conscious since. Using the Preds and now all off a sudden they are not. People with money usually don’t throw there money away even when they have a lot of it. The Preds owners are by no means in the top tier of owners when it comes to deep pockets so it is just surprising they would do or allow this. So the owners are up to $18M+ in payments to non Preds. That has got to sting some I would think.
Never won anything? You can put a lot of players/GM’s in that category! And what reputation did he have before getting here? How has he held himself since becoming a Pred? It’s a business I know and it’s not my business but it just doesn’t look good to me so far. Sure would like to know more of why and what else is going to happen.
Bill Haslam alone is worth several billion dollars. I think they will be ok.
Well he cried his way out of Colorado for starters and then got busted with that video talking crap about the coaching staff when he was in Ottawa, so yes he did have a reputation before he got here. Just because you don't know about it, or conveniently forgot, doesn't mean it's not a thing.
Have they or has Poile been that way for them? See these are the same owners minus Haslam coming in, so was it the owners not wanting to spend their money or Poile not wanting to spend anymore than he felt he had too? Unless they specifically say something we really don't know.
Poile is floating around here at Dev camp. Want me to ask him?
Go for it but lets be honest, you aren't going to get a straight answer even if he would take the time too.
OK. I speculate that he was trying to sugarcoat things a bit. No one wanted to be "locked in" for 3 years. It just sounds a bit softer to say, "3 years is a long time, man."
Did you think Trotz would come right out and say “they’re decent players but neither one of them have the character I’m looking for to mentor the young players in this organization “? He did what any good manager would do, he thanked them for their contributions, said a few good things about them and the showed them the door.
I'm not crapping on him, nothing I have stated hasn't been without a fact backing it up. I'm just saying lets not act like all of these weren't known and brought up when talk of signing him was going on.
I wasn't trying to single you out even though I commented on some of the things you mentioned. I've just seen increased comments that implied a bad locker room guy, etc... when we don't have anything concrete on his time here to know. I think there's wiggle room to have the new guys being leadership/mentoring upgrades without assuming Duchene was necessarily a "problem," per se.
Sorry, reading comprehension and driving aren’t two things I can multitask very well
Like I have said before I don't really think there was really an issue as far as attitude or anything, but I think if there was anything it may have been how he did things off the ice as far as training and just commitment to the game itself. Part of that may include him just not really being a mentor that was trying to help the younger guys.
Yeah, we know about the music and his off-ice interests and stuff. I'm not sure if he knew about the buyout before the draft/awards, but your team is hosting it and you're one of the top players and you're on vacation with Landeskog (though Forsberg and Saros weren't around either, so).
Quoting all of this to add that I agree and don't see Johansen or Duchene as locker room problems just not the type of or level of influence that Trotz wanted. He did have two months of travel with the team to witness first hand. Another reason you have to praise Piile for the way he's handled the end of his career.
Well and it's not like a factory job where you can just come in, clock in, get your paycheck and go home. You take that route in professional sports and you are always going to be behind the 8 ball.
I think both of them are fun locker room guys that keep it loose. At the same time, you need guys who will play the right way, show up early, leave late and at this point in time, Trotz saw a glaring need there and felt that was more important than production on the ice. If he gets the kids to play and prepare the right way, the production will come.
Like I've said previously these moves weren't about doing well it's about doing things right. We may get some inkling of what the issue was down the road but for right now everyone is doing the responsible thing and just moving on.
