jacketracket said:
bizoncol said:
Amazing what a few games against Pittsburg, Chicago and Phoenix will do for you eh? Tell you what, start picking up some wins against teams that won’t be in the lottery draft, and you might excite me. Last time I check, the Jackets were still near the basement.
DJAnimosity said:
Funny thing is, go onto the Leafs board and see how many Leaf fans think (list any player here) is the greatest ever. It’s called being a homer. If you think I’m going to take your obviously biased and uninformed views on a certain player, you are as crazy as the owner of the Jackets for continuing to employ Doug MacLean.
But let’s clear this up now. What is your criteria for success for Rick Nash at the winter Olympics? Serious. Even though he wasn’t named MVP, or top forward, you and some of your ilk still try and say he was the best player at the World Championships. Obviously he wasn’t, or he would have picked up one of those awards. If he has success in the round robin, but goes cold in the medal rounds, will you consider that success? Because that’s what happened at the World’s, and we all know how you feel about his play there.
What is your definition of success for Rick Nash at the Olympics? Tell me now, or lose any right of “re-visiting†this later.
arrbez said:
How many times did Temmu Selanie reach or beat his goal scorer total of his rookie year? How many times have we seen a player jump out of the gates with an amazing performance when few were expecting it, only to never return to the form again? How old was Martin St. Louis before he became one of the best players in the league?
Fact is, history has shown it is possible for a young player to hit their peak early and never return to that glory. And history has shown some athletes take a little longer getting all their tools together.
But seriously, don’t let the love you have for Nash blind your common sense.
Given the same situation I believe Rick Nash was given in the last NHL season, yes, I do think Jonathan Cheechoo could have scored 41 goals. Quite frankly, I think there are a number of players who could do it given the situation that was going on in Columbus.
Listen, to this point, no one has tried refuting my stance on how and why Nash scored 41 goals. Until one of you die hards can do so, I’ll stick to my guns. And if what I think happened, then it is possible you could have scored 41 goals in the NHL as a 19 year old.
Listen, I could care less about Jonathan Cheechoo. He means nothing to me. But he is the best case example to show how people twist the numbers to suit certain players. According to some, Nash was a lock for Team Canada because of his one time chemistry with Joe Thornton. But yet, the exact same chemistry doesn’t help Cheechoo onto the team. People talk about what Nash did in his sophomore year, yet at the same time, Cheechoo in his sophomore was right up there with Nash is scoring. People use Nash’s one time play at the World Championship as a reason he should go to the Olympics, yet others (not Cheechoo) have done the same, if not better, but weren’t invited.
Actually, yes. Last year might have been Nash’s first year in the NHL with the Sharks. But since there was no season, he would have been in the AHL. What you people don’t seem to understand is that the vast majority of coach’s and GM’s don’t believe in rushing their prospects into the NHL. San Jose has been a top tier team for a few years now. Unlike the Jackets, they weren’t in dire need of help from anywhere they could find it. They also have coaches (Wilson & Sutter) that understand how important it is to develop an all round game. MacLean, and his hand puppet Gallant, can’t figure this out (Gilbert Brule is a prime example).
Saying this might very well be Nash’s first NHL season with the Sharks is not by any stretch a knock against him. And you inability to see that speaks volumes to the kind of knowledge and mentality you have.
This is what kills me. How is he proving me wrong? Look who the Jackets have been playing lately. If Columbus is able to continue this streak against the top teams in the league, instead of the bottom dwellers, then I’ll give credit where credit is due. But at this point, racking up points against the Penguins isn’t the kind of stuff that puts you in the HoF.
There we go. There are players better suited for Team Canada. Players who have had successful seasons in the NHL more then once. Players who won Championships for the Country in the past. Players who weren’t injured when the announcement was made. And players who can do more then hang out at the red line and look for the garbage.
Good, yes. Great, no. And that is the point we’ve been trying to make. Some of you think this guy is already one of the Top 25 NHLers of all time. Truth is, he could blow out a knee tomorrow, and he’d be forgotten in the hockey world within a few weeks.
And BTW, you’re right, Cheechoo is not in the same league as Nash. Cheechoo is in a league that will enable him to play in the playoffs. Nash has never done that.
Top Shelf said:
And I wish you’d get some new glasses so you could actually see the way the game of hockey is suppose to be played. But I guess denial is more then just a river in Egypt. Don’t let the absence of facts and common sense stop you from adding a post.
