Proposal: MTL & NJ
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Scintillating10
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Matheson too big part of our team to trade like that. Need core piece to move him. Which 11th is not.
For 50% retained Matheson? Sure, assuming we can flip him for more.
There's no spot for him on our roster really but I'm sure at 50% we could flip him for pieces we actually need.
From Montreal in terms of pieces that would actually fit into helping NJDs roster makeup:
Guhle: 2LD with marino, would offer our 2024 1st+sweeteners
Montembault: 1G. Would offer our 2025 1st
Newhook: 3C/3LW: would offer our 2025 1st+winnipeg 2nd
Evans: 4C: Would offer 2024 3rd
Dvorak (50%): 4C: would offer 2024 3rd
Josh Anderson (50%): Miles wood replacement: would offer winnipeg 2nd
There's no spot for him on our roster really but I'm sure at 50% we could flip him for pieces we actually need.
From Montreal in terms of pieces that would actually fit into helping NJDs roster makeup:
Guhle: 2LD with marino, would offer our 2024 1st+sweeteners
Montembault: 1G. Would offer our 2025 1st
Newhook: 3C/3LW: would offer our 2025 1st+winnipeg 2nd
Evans: 4C: Would offer 2024 3rd
Dvorak (50%): 4C: would offer 2024 3rd
Josh Anderson (50%): Miles wood replacement: would offer winnipeg 2nd
Lockin17
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#11 can land you Iginla or Helenius
You have a spot for Ghule but not Matheson ?
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New Jersey have Luke Hughes who may be worse at ES but was just as effective on the PP as Matheson this season. Their left side does kind of suck but I'm sure they're hoping for some bounce back seasons from a few guys.
I'm sure they could also flip one of their many good RD/RD prospects for a LD.
Habs also don't really need a mid-first like that as a key piece when there's about ten great prospects at the top of this draft. Matheson for MBN isn't great in itself. Then we're adding a first and retaining 50%? When was the last time a top 10 scoring dman was an add on to move up in the draft (not to mention not even to a high pick)?
I'm sure they could also flip one of their many good RD/RD prospects for a LD.
Habs also don't really need a mid-first like that as a key piece when there's about ten great prospects at the top of this draft. Matheson for MBN isn't great in itself. Then we're adding a first and retaining 50%? When was the last time a top 10 scoring dman was an add on to move up in the draft (not to mention not even to a high pick)?
He would never get any PP time with the Devils his transition game is pretty good and the Devils do need that as Bahl and Smith can't pass at all. The 50% and Jets pick add to the appeal.
I would put this offer in the backpocket and call it plan C. The Devils are either trading that 1st as part of a goalie trade or potentially drafting Buium, Iginla, or Nygard.
If in the end we got Matheson and could manage to still use the Jets pick as a major piece of a goalie trade I wouldn't hate it.
I would put this offer in the backpocket and call it plan C. The Devils are either trading that 1st as part of a goalie trade or potentially drafting Buium, Iginla, or Nygard.
If in the end we got Matheson and could manage to still use the Jets pick as a major piece of a goalie trade I wouldn't hate it.
Guhle would fit onto the PK and a shutdown pairing with marino
Luke-Nemec
Siegs-Hamilton
Guhle-Marino
All would be played approximately evenly.
PP goes to Luke,Nemec,Hamilton
PK goes to Siegs,Nemec,Guhle,Marino
Up a goal holding a lead means more of Siegs,Guhle,Marino
Down a goal chasing means more of Luke,Nemec,Hamilton
I don't see a role for Matheson on the PP.
I'm not a fan of him at all on the PK (Guhle has concerns there too but I have faith in his 5v5 defense translating in a different system and is still developing)
And I don't like him with marino, wasn't a fan of the fit during the stretches they played together in pittsburgh
I do like his transition ability but I wasn't a fan of him and marino together at all when they were in pittsburgh so idk how he'd fit on a pair there (I want to see luke and nemec together).
Any reason why we’re retaining 50% on a contract of a guy who just posted a 62 points season and still has 2 more years at 4.8M?
I’d like to hear to reasoning to that
I’d like to hear to reasoning to that
Lockin17
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Matheson with Hamilton would be a great line, probably the first line on D
NJ are getting tight on the cap space.
His skating may help him cover for Hamilton (who is quite slow) in some spots but I question if he's defensively responsible enough. And Siegs is at his best alongside Hamilton.
The value is certainly there.
My hopes are still (probably foolishly) set on prying Marcus Pettersson out of pitt and pairing him and marino up again
potentially? I mean it could work since he's a speedy skater. His job would be to clean up Hamilton's mistakes by chasing pucks and opponents to pucks so it doesn't lead to breakaways.
It would be a lot like the L,Hughes/Hamilton pairing which if I remember correctly didn't work very well at all
And cap space isn’t important for Montreal? Do we plan to compete only in 5 years? What am I missing here
In terms of need a goal situations the Luke/Hamilton pairing worked pretty well.
Obviously some generous zone starts and strong forwards on the ice with them due to situation but they generated 64% of xGoals in the 60 minutes they spent together.
viceroy
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Ignila will be gone by #6 at the latest and Helenius is meh in my book. However if Catton's still up at 10 I'd give up a lot for him. Getting Linguini and Catton for '24 would be killer.
What potential draftee's do you think the Habs would be looking at the 11th spot anyways?
As I stated previously the Devils would be probably looking at
1. Dickinson (fat chance)
2. Buium/Lindstrom/Iginla/Nygard
Basically a tough shutdown defensman that can log big minutes and good at transition
Or a power forward that can win battles and score. Basically fill in the spot Slafkovsky would have filled if the Devils got him.
Scintillating10
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I think we can get a better deal for him at next TDL with 50% retention.
Guhle is not available. Ridiculous people post offers for him. Ditto Newhook. He’s on a 51pt pace and a part of the Habs future.
Matheson should be available.
Matheson should be available.
dirtydanglez
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because you're getting 11th overall for matheson. sure he has 60 points, but he's 30 and his career high prior to this season is 34 points. it's an outlier season, likely to do with montreal having almost no one to move the puck. he'l likely revert to 30-40 points on the devils.
Prior to this season he got 34 points in 48 games. He was on pace for 58 points last season.
A little context... lol
Okay so with Matheson gone (50%) and Savard likely gone, who do we have left at D that isn’t a rookie? Are we really going into next season with Harris being our oldest guy on D?
What about the rest of the team? If we keep trading our players for picks then when do you expect to stop tanking and get into the mix? When do we cross that line?
Anyway, I can guarantee you no one is being trade aside maybe Dvorak and/or Savard. This team is done tanking as well. We have our core pieces for the next decade. It’s time to take the next step
dirtydanglez
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yes he has some durability concerns. hes getting minutes on the habs that he wouldnt get elsewhere. hes averaging 25 and a half minutes a game.
