Proposal: MTL and SJ

[Lockin17]

Could MTL and SJ be a good trading partner ?

MTL is in need of decent forward prospect and SJ Defenseman,

MTL : Logan Mailloux
for
SJ : Quentin Musty

Both players have great potential, pretty sure none of them are bust.

What do you guys think ?

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[fasterthanlight]

Could MTL and SJ be a good trading partner ?

MTL is in need of decent forward prospect and SJ Defenseman,

MTL : Logan Mailloux
for
SJ : Quentin Musty

Both players have great potential, pretty sure none of them are bust.

What do you guys think ?

I don't know much about Logan, and the positional need makes sense. Something like this could work, but, I do suspect the sharks are rather high on Musty given that he fell on draft day and has had a ridiculous year so far.

 

[Lockin17]

I don't know much about Logan, and the positional need makes sense. Something like this could work, but, I do suspect the sharks are rather high on Musty given that he fell on draft day and has had a ridiculous year so far.

Mailloux is killing it in the AHL and he is right handed as well.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

San Jose is in just as much need at forward help as they are for defensive help. Maybe they explore this after the lottery but if they don't win it there are a lot of higher potential defensemen available right around their pick

 

[Lockin17]

San Jose is in just as much need at forward help as they are for defensive help. Maybe they explore this after the lottery but if they don't win it there are a lot of higher potential defensemen available right around their pick

SJ should be either #1 or #2 , so the obvious is Celebrini or Demidov.
If they drop down to #3 or #4 then yes they could draft a D.

SJ have a lot more forward in the pipeline then D

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

SJ should be either #1 or #2 , so the obvious is Celebrini or Demidov.
If they drop down to #3 or #4 then yes they could draft a D.

SJ have a lot more forward in the pipeline then D

San Jose has a 56% chance of picking 3rd, so statistically they should be #3. The only way they can drop to 4th is if they pass Chicago in the standings.

They may have more forwards but not necessarily in quality. Also there are a lot more forward positions to fill. Again maybe after the draft they do this but at #3 if Demidov is off the board then the best prospect available is probably Levshunov or one of the other 3 top defensemen.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

San Jose has a 56% chance of picking 3rd, so statistically they should be #3. The only way they can drop to 4th is if they pass Chicago in the standings.

They may have more forwards but not necessarily in quality. Also there are a lot more forward positions to fill. Again maybe after the draft they do this but at #3 if Demidov is off the board then the best prospect available is probably Levshunov or one of the other 3 top defensemen.

Nobody has a 56% chance of picking 1st or 2nd either so if you apply that standard to all teams, the Sharks are back at #1. If I'm running the Sharks, I'm not trading for Mailloux under any circumstances. They were already burned recently by someone they thought they could reform and they shouldn't take that sort of risk while they're rebuilding and certainly not at the cost of Musty.

 

[TheBeard]

Nobody has a 56% chance of picking 1st or 2nd either so if you apply that standard to all teams, the Sharks are back at #1. If I'm running the Sharks, I'm not trading for Mailloux under any circumstances. They were already burned recently by someone they thought they could reform and they shouldn't take that sort of risk while they're rebuilding and certainly not at the cost of Musty.

I think Logan has done a good job keeping his head down and doing the right things while performing st a high level so I don't know if he's certainly someone that needs reforming.

However, I wouldn't do this trade unless Montreal throws in a sweetener like Fowler.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Nobody has a 56% chance of picking 1st or 2nd either so if you apply that standard to all teams, the Sharks are back at #1. If I'm running the Sharks, I'm not trading for Mailloux under any circumstances. They were already burned recently by someone they thought they could reform and they shouldn't take that sort of risk while they're rebuilding and certainly not at the cost of Musty.

Huh? Yes the Sharks have the best odds at picking in the top 2 but that does not change the fact that they have a 56% chance of picking 3rd. Every other teams odds combined adds up to 56% chance of picking top 2

 

[Grinner]

No thanks. Musty ought to be a building block in the Sharks long term rebuilding effort.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I think Logan has done a good job keeping his head down and doing the right things while performing st a high level so I don't know if he's certainly someone that needs reforming.

However, I wouldn't do this trade unless Montreal throws in a sweetener like Fowler.

So Montreal is basically trading the pro-ready, RD putting up exceptional numbers in his first pro season and plays the premium position (over Musty) + a gold-medal winning, goalie thats up for the NCAA goalie of the year as "a sweetener"?

yea, no thanks

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Huh? Yes the Sharks have the best odds at picking in the top 2 but that does not change the fact that they have a 56% chance of picking 3rd. Every other teams odds combined adds up to 56% chance of picking top 2

Yes but only one team wins the lottery so using the odds of one team in one specific scenario and not applying that to everyone else is misleading.

 

[TheBeard]

So Montreal is basically trading the pro-ready, RD putting up exceptional numbers in his first pro season and plays the premium position (over Musty) + a goalie thats up for the gold-medal winning, NCAA goalie of the year as "a sweetener"?

yea, no thanks

Ok. No problem.

 

[Lockin17]

I think Logan has done a good job keeping his head down and doing the right things while performing st a high level so I don't know if he's certainly someone that needs reforming.

However, I wouldn't do this trade unless Montreal throws in a sweetener like Fowler.

Damn i would not even trade Fowler for Musty 1 vs 1 .

I don't think you understand the value of players mate.

A RHD , 6,03 , 220 pounds with a top 4 potential versus a top 6 LW with similar potential makes sense and the value is there.
It comes down to if SJ wants a RHD, they sure need some.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Yes but only one team wins the lottery so using the odds of one team in one specific scenario and not applying that to everyone else is misleading.

It's not misleading at all. San Jose is statistically most likely to pick 3rd based on how the lottery system works. This has nothing to do with any other teams individual scenarios

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Sharks are not trading Musty. We have absolutely 0 need to trade prospects for positional needs. We just need to accumulate as much talent as possible...Musty is very talented.

 

[Scintillating10]

Could MTL and SJ be a good trading partner ?

MTL is in need of decent forward prospect and SJ Defenseman,

MTL : Logan Mailloux
for
SJ : Quentin Musty

Both players have great potential, pretty sure none of them are bust.

What do you guys think ?

Mailloux we keeping. Big mobile physical right D are how you build teams

 

[pth2]

Given how Montreal and SJ are in similar positions (ie, deep rebuilds), with Montreal likely a couple of years ahead, then I only see 2 types of deals that could work:
-Position swap, ie SJ moves a forward for a D or a pick intending to pick a D.
-A guy who fits Montreal's timeline but not SJ's - Zetterlund comes to mind, for futures which better fit SJ's timeline.

 

[TheBeard]

Damn i would not even trade Fowler for Musty 1 vs 1 .

I don't think you understand the value of players mate.

A RHD , 6,03 , 220 pounds with a top 4 potential versus a top 6 LW with similar potential makes sense and the value is there.
It comes down to if SJ wants a RHD, they sure need some.

Ok. I won't lose any sleep over this.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

It's not misleading at all. San Jose is statistically most likely to pick 3rd based on how the lottery system works. This has nothing to do with any other teams individual scenarios

That's the point though. If you do odds by each individual team, they're most likely to pick 1st. If you decide to show the Sharks versus the field then yeah but if you then go what each individual team's odds are against the field, you'll see similar results.

Chicago's most likely outcome is to pick 4th. Anaheim's most likely outcome is to pick 4th. Columbus' most likely outcome is to pick 5th. Arizona's most likely outcome is to pick 6th and so on.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Yeah, no f***ing way. Keep Mailloux, we’re happy with the 6’2” 18 year old ripping the the OHL a new one.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

RHD are at a premium along with centres. RHD with size are even more rare.

Habs say no. Sharks need everything, so there's no point in them switching from one prospect to another.

Also huge LOL at the poster that said Montreal would need to add Fowler.

 

[HabsAddict]

Mailman is 3rd overall in scoring for defenseman in the AHL. He hits, fights, skates, hard and accurate shot. RHD arguably a more important positon then center.

Obviously he's future PP1.

His weakness is that he missed a few years of defensive development and needs to refine his reads and gaps.

NO to any trade unless it's overpayment for PROVEN player. AND absolutely no to any offer of picks.

 

[CanadienShark]

As a fan of both teams, I'm leaning towards Sharks saying no. I get the rationale behind the deal and the value is reasonable.

 

[Lockin17]

RHD are at a premium along with centres. RHD with size are even more rare.

Habs say no. Sharks need everything, so there's no point in them switching from one prospect to another.

Also huge LOL at the poster that said Montreal would need to add Fowler.

Well, Smith, Halttunen, Bystedt, Musty, Lund, Eklund, Bordeleau are their best prospect no ?
Where are the D ?? Havelid at 5,09 ? lol yeah right