Fatass
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Speculation: Most interesting off season teams to watch.
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You say he deserves a shot, why? You want to gift him the backup job, don't you remember what happened the last time they gifted the backup job to somebody?
He was goalie of the year
He won a championship
He was Garett Sparks and he was a disgrace to the jersey to the point where for all intents and purposes he was kicked off the team.
You don't gift jobs to people especially in pro sports.
NotOpie
"Puck don't lie"
As a homer Canes fan, I'd have to say our off season will be "interesting".
Carolina's UFAs:
Teravainen
Guentzel
Martinook
Noesen
Skjei
Pesce
Chattfield
Deangelo
Carolina's RFAs:
Jarvis
Necas
Drury
The general consensus from Canes fans is that Deangelo and Noesen are gone but for different reasons. Tony because he's been surpassed by other players and Noesen because he will likely price himself out of our market.
Martinook makes $1.8 million and likely will be resigned for something similar to what Fast got last offseason ($2.4 million per for 2 years).
The front office has been negotiating with Chatfield, so that will be interesting. Most of us want to keep Chatty and assume he'll get something between $2.5 million to $3.5 million over 3 or 4 years. But, again, the market may push that number higher and that will be interesting for the Canes as they typically assign a value to a player and rarely go over that value.
The general consensus on Skjei and probably Pesce as well is that they will probably price themselves out of our market. The sticking point with both players is likely term.
Teravainen and Guentzel are most likely linked with Teravainen potentially taking a discount (and a shorter term). If Guentzel gets signed by Carolina, I can't see that deal being more than $8 million to $8.5 million per year. That's probably less than market value, so it would be up to both parties on term. An 8 x 8.5 contract is likely very competitive with a 7 x 9 one. Personally, I just don't see us re-signing Jake (age and money).
That leaves the 3 RFAs. Personally, I believe they bridge Jarvis ($3.5 million to $5 million per on a 2 year deal). But if Guentzel walks, then I could see an 8 year deal coming in at $6.5 million to $7.25 million ove 8 years. Drury will likely get bridged too or maybe take a deal that buys out 1 year of UFA. Regardless, I think his hit for next season is between $1.5 million to $2.5 million. He's also a potential trade chip but Brindy loves him, so there's always that.
That leaves Marty Necas who brings a dynamism to this team like nobody else. He's another guy that the Canes would probably love to get for a long term deal that starts with a 6. Perhaps they go to $7 million on a long term deal. He's also the guy most likely to get traded if salary negotiations go south.
Regardless, lots of moving parts in Raleigh.
Carolina's UFAs:
Teravainen
Guentzel
Martinook
Noesen
Skjei
Pesce
Chattfield
Deangelo
Carolina's RFAs:
Jarvis
Necas
Drury
The general consensus from Canes fans is that Deangelo and Noesen are gone but for different reasons. Tony because he's been surpassed by other players and Noesen because he will likely price himself out of our market.
Martinook makes $1.8 million and likely will be resigned for something similar to what Fast got last offseason ($2.4 million per for 2 years).
The front office has been negotiating with Chatfield, so that will be interesting. Most of us want to keep Chatty and assume he'll get something between $2.5 million to $3.5 million over 3 or 4 years. But, again, the market may push that number higher and that will be interesting for the Canes as they typically assign a value to a player and rarely go over that value.
The general consensus on Skjei and probably Pesce as well is that they will probably price themselves out of our market. The sticking point with both players is likely term.
Teravainen and Guentzel are most likely linked with Teravainen potentially taking a discount (and a shorter term). If Guentzel gets signed by Carolina, I can't see that deal being more than $8 million to $8.5 million per year. That's probably less than market value, so it would be up to both parties on term. An 8 x 8.5 contract is likely very competitive with a 7 x 9 one. Personally, I just don't see us re-signing Jake (age and money).
That leaves the 3 RFAs. Personally, I believe they bridge Jarvis ($3.5 million to $5 million per on a 2 year deal). But if Guentzel walks, then I could see an 8 year deal coming in at $6.5 million to $7.25 million ove 8 years. Drury will likely get bridged too or maybe take a deal that buys out 1 year of UFA. Regardless, I think his hit for next season is between $1.5 million to $2.5 million. He's also a potential trade chip but Brindy loves him, so there's always that.
That leaves Marty Necas who brings a dynamism to this team like nobody else. He's another guy that the Canes would probably love to get for a long term deal that starts with a 6. Perhaps they go to $7 million on a long term deal. He's also the guy most likely to get traded if salary negotiations go south.
Regardless, lots of moving parts in Raleigh.
I agree 100% with you but there is one thing you didn't mention, the real reason you guys are interesting.
Your coach is a UFA and half the league would fire their coach to bring in yours.
Chiarot has earned his cap hit this season. Easily the second best defenseman on the team. I have no problem with him sticking around.
Maatta is tradeable. 3M and one year after this one.
Petry has a low cap hit, 2.34M. Won't be moved.
Walman has a pretty low cap hit as well. 3.4M for two more years. Easily tradeable.
None of these contracts have negative value, only Holl's.
The bad contracts are elsewhere. Copp and to a degree Compher are overpaid. And Husso as well. Maybe Fabbri at 4M for one more year.
Then you have the bargains. Lyon at 900k for one more year, Ras at 3.2M for the next 4. Then you can count in the ELCs.
Our coach is a millionaire who has been vocal about not wanting to be a career coach or work in hockey long-term and not wanting to coach elsewhere.
I'm more concerned we win the Cup and he retires afterwards.
Kyle Dubas said those same things, he was in Pittsburgh a month later.
Money talks and when it does people listen
Arthur Morgan
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hes played 32 games in the AHL and his numbers arent terrible. I guess we will see. I dunno how we have enough cap to fill our roster and spend on a goalie.
Bijelo
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Malkin ends and Crosby or Letang gone and then rebuilding on one of Crosby/Letang and then Eller, Bunting, Koivunen, Karlsson and Jarry etc.
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he is, this is the same guy talking about Parayko to Toronto still a few posts back.
Volica
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I’m interested in the Canadian clubs outside of Van and Winnipeg.
Like for Toronto and Edmonton; if they get booted early? What’s the next step here? Edmonton only had a couple more years of McDavid and will patience be out if he gets the boot in round 1? Toronto? Same thing. Does Marner get dealt?
Then on the other side of the coin, Calgary, Ottawa and Montreal. What’s the next move here? Is Calgary moving on from Marky and embracing the full rebuild? Is Montreal going to take a next step? Is Ottawa going to get relegated to the AHL?
Like for Toronto and Edmonton; if they get booted early? What’s the next step here? Edmonton only had a couple more years of McDavid and will patience be out if he gets the boot in round 1? Toronto? Same thing. Does Marner get dealt?
Then on the other side of the coin, Calgary, Ottawa and Montreal. What’s the next move here? Is Calgary moving on from Marky and embracing the full rebuild? Is Montreal going to take a next step? Is Ottawa going to get relegated to the AHL?
Chicago should try to make a run at some free agents, not to get the team into contention, but they really shouldn't look like an AHL roster, but at least reshuffle the deck in terms of veteran defensemen to not be playing some hot garbage like Tinordi or Zadorov. Get some talented forwards to help insulate the young guys coming up soon. Locker room stuff is cool but you don't need to prioritize leadership now, get guys who aren't cancers who can play well and positively effect young guys growth with their play. I would also not mind going for a big fish like Reinhart or Guentzel either as much as I doubt it.
TL;DR look like a NHL roster
TL;DR look like a NHL roster
I don't think Marner gets dealt, I think if they were going to make a major change like that they would have already done it.
I think Keefe gets fired first and if Pittsburgh fires Mike Sullivan after they miss the playoffs I think he'd be a prime candidate to take over.
I do expect MAJOR changes to the defense.
and they only have 1 goalie under contract next year so they HAVE to bring in a goalie.
I expect major change but not to the core.
Toronto is they fail once again can’t possibly go into another season with that core, can they?
Buffalo has one again not made any ground. When will they start trading their youth for established talent?
Ottawa has now locked up their core and are a bottom 5 team. What changes do they make?
Vegas is on paper a wreck for next season cap wise. What magic do they pull off again?
Buffalo has one again not made any ground. When will they start trading their youth for established talent?
Ottawa has now locked up their core and are a bottom 5 team. What changes do they make?
Vegas is on paper a wreck for next season cap wise. What magic do they pull off again?
As long as Shanny is around I think the core stays intact.
And honestly I'm not sure that would be the wrong move.
I mean look at your own team, Yzerman didn't win until he was 30 or 31, it took him 13 years to get it done.
Ovechkin was 31 or 32 it took him 14 years.
The Leafs core is still in their 20's there is still time, at least another 10 years
Calgary really isn’t that old anymore. 5 players across their entire top 9/top4 are 30 currently. They ditched about half their 30 year olds in one calendar year under Conroy, they went from being the 10th oldest to the 11th youngest team year over year.
Yea if Calgary does decide to tank it actually helps them keep their picks, not the other way around. If Calgary picks is in the top 10 next year Florida’s pick transfers to Montreal, not ours (unless Florida falls to pieces next year). Calgary losing their 2026 1st only comes from an extremely weird scenario where Florida somehow picks in the top 10 next year AND Calgary picks 1st overall next year.
Regardless Calgary has outright said that isn’t the plan though so it’s a moot point. Calgary will have an interesting off-season though. All of Sharangovich, Mangiapane, Kuzmenko, and maybe Markstrom could be moved, and have said they hope to be active in free agency.
Yes Yzerman didn’t win for a while, but they still had decent playoff runs along the way.
They also drastically changed the core around Yzerman as well. So not really comparable
ginner classic
Dammit Jim!
Starting to think Vegas is going to be crazy in the off-season. Cap crunch and free agents should free up some assets for trade or UFA departure.
Whitecloud, Roy, and Howden are all guys I could see getting dealt. Of the UFAs Stephenson and Marchessault seem like guys that may not be back. Mantha I assume as well. Martinez maybe comes back on a team friendly one year deal.
How I see it:
I thik Korczak has proven capable of replacing Whitecloud. So my prediction is they move Whitecloud on to Winnipeg, Ottawa, Vancouver or Buffalo. Stephenson (redundant) leaves via FA and the rest come back. I think Roy fits their team better than Stephenson. Mantha returns on a one year deal at like 2 or 2.5.
Whitecloud, Roy, and Howden are all guys I could see getting dealt. Of the UFAs Stephenson and Marchessault seem like guys that may not be back. Mantha I assume as well. Martinez maybe comes back on a team friendly one year deal.
How I see it:
I thik Korczak has proven capable of replacing Whitecloud. So my prediction is they move Whitecloud on to Winnipeg, Ottawa, Vancouver or Buffalo. Stephenson (redundant) leaves via FA and the rest come back. I think Roy fits their team better than Stephenson. Mantha returns on a one year deal at like 2 or 2.5.
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A couple of LHDs as FA this summer in Hanifin and Skjej. Pettersson in Pit if he is available should be a trade consideration. The G thing is getting old with a Bruins beat writer saying Ullmark could be available for a 2nd and a 3rd (I think he meant in a pkg not just for that but who knows), why are we looking at Holtz + for Marky (Holtz, Mercer and our 24th 1st for Saros!). Don't need to spend like a drunk sailor. Get Su;;y here from Pitt, geta bunch of 3 and liners with more grit than we currently have and a 3/4 faceoff guys like Sturm in SJ
Canucks have 29M of cap space this off season
UFA’s
Lindholm, Cole, Myers, Joshua, Blueger, Lafferty, DeSmith, Zadorov
RFA
Hronek
Going to be real interesting what they plan to do. They also have a less than ideal contract like Mikheyev they might look to move.
They’ll probably try and sign Blueger, Joshua, and possibly Zadorov. Not sure how much Hronek’s going to cost but I’d be open to flipping him if his commands are too much.
UFA’s
Lindholm, Cole, Myers, Joshua, Blueger, Lafferty, DeSmith, Zadorov
RFA
Hronek
Going to be real interesting what they plan to do. They also have a less than ideal contract like Mikheyev they might look to move.
They’ll probably try and sign Blueger, Joshua, and possibly Zadorov. Not sure how much Hronek’s going to cost but I’d be open to flipping him if his commands are too much.
Bijelo
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HarrySPlinkett
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Toronto isn’t blowing anything up. What are they gonna do find better players than Marner, Matthews and Nylander?
