tarheelhockey
Offside Review Specialist
Jeremy Welsh.
He was penciled in as our 3C his rookie year. Not sure how it all fell apart.
He was penciled in as our 3C his rookie year. Not sure how it all fell apart.
For me, Ryan Murphy. I was all-in on that guy being a world beater offensive defenseman. I remember being irrationally happy when he slipped to #12 in 2011. But, to be fair, him busting didn't really set us back that far as aside from J.T. Miller, the middle of the first round in 2011 really wasn't all that great. So it's not like, for example, in 2014 when we chose Fleury and immediately after Nylander and Ehlers go.
Honestly, just going through the draft history right now and looking at the names in the mid-to-late 2000's to the early 2010's and, yeah, it's not hard to figure out why this team sucked so bad for so long. Good lord could the JR/PK regime not draft to save their asses. 2005-2009 in particular is just yikes.
5) Guys that were promising early on but never reached expectations long term: McBain, Tanabe, (and Vagrant would put Skinner here), Willis?, others?
Yeah Heerema is a hair above Tselios to me since literally everyone taken around him and the guy right after him became something aside from Fata. But God how different our history would be had we taken Tanguay... or even mr f***ing puck poise himself Martin SkoulaSo going by the BBA list above, I would start with bullet point 2 as the most disappointing.
Jack Johnson, I mean it sucked, but at least he got us Tim Gleason in a trade, who locked down our defense for the next 8 years. We knew Fox was unlikely to play here from the moment of the trade, so I'm not sure I would even consider that a disappointment, and I mean Andersen sucks, but it was a 7th round pick, not exactly something you're banking your future on.
Those 1st round misses are killers, though. Boychuk was at least somewhat serviceable here, nothing near what we expected, but he contributed a little. The rest of that list are absolute garbage with the double whammy of not just whiffing on a 1st rounder but being so bad they tanked their value when we shipped them out.
That said, the absolute most painful has to be Heerema. 11th overall in the 1998 draft. Claimed off waivers by the Blues in 2003 meaning we got basically jack shit for him after only 10 games of service with us. Oof, that's a special kind of painful, and a big reason why the team couldn't take that next step after the run to the finals in 2002 and instead fell back.
Option 2. We at least got something useful out of trading JJ.If you could travel back in time, and got to change 1 draft pick, who would it be?
Kopitar over JJ or Karlsson over Boychuk
Agreed, but that was a pretty damn good pick to get a guy who initially did that well in the second round. More of a player issue than a draft pick one.Victor Rask. Even with his well documented skating issues, dude was looking like a legitimate middle six center, then the wheels just fell off.
If you could travel back in time, and got to change 1 draft pick, who would it be?
Kopitar over JJ or Karlsson over Boychuk
I want to say Rask fell off after a shoulder injury? Or was that before the injury that he was falling off?Agreed, but that was a pretty damn good pick to get a guy who initially did that well in the second round. More of a player issue than a draft pick one.
Another one to be added to that "what if" list would be ROR over Paradis in 2009. He would've been the ideal #2C and having him likely means we don't to make the Jordan Staal trade in 2012 as we'd have Staal/ROR/Sutter down the middle. Of course, it's possible that JR would've traded ROR for Staal, but alas.
Yeah there were a few other options that we were considering on here that never panned out (Klingberg, Buddish) but Ferraro vs ROR was a big debate. The question was how much upside ROR had at the time of the draft with him, at least at the time, seeming more like a safe 3rd/4th line center type. Which given that draft kinda sucked, that wouldn't have been bad at all at #28. IIRC the other guys that were on the radar that turned out at least OK were Chiasson and Silferberg who were more skill oriented guys.IIRC, the big debate on this board was Landon Ferraro versus Ryan O'Reilly. Everyone knew we were going for a Center, those two were the top ranked Centers, and we did... that. Paradis is probably the dumbest pick this team ever made, but everyone knew it at the time, so it wasn't a galloping shock when he didn't pan out (but the Leafs gave us a real NHLer for him, which was nice of them. Seriously, why did they do that?). Even if you're just drafting for size, Paradis is only a inch taller than O'Reilly is. Just made no sense.
Tanguay over Heerema. It would have really set the team in another direction through the 2000s.If you could travel back in time, and got to change 1 draft pick, who would it be?
Kopitar over JJ or Karlsson over Boychuk
Tanguay over Heerema. It would have really set the team in another direction through the 2000s.
knowing PK would have played it cheap: I go a lot more recently and say McAvoy over Bean. TD would pony up to keep McAvoy. Its hard to imagine PK ponying up for Karlsson, Kopitar, or other with Staal, Ward, or others on the squad.
Imagining a D of Slavin-Hamilton, Pesce-McAvoy, Fleury-Faulk is AMAZING!!!!!!!
I've often wondered if there was something in the interview process that made the Canes not want to pick McAvoy (ie..did he not want to play for Carolina so told them he's going to college and really wants to complete his degree, etc..)
I admit it's complete hogwash speculation on my part, but with the success of drafting American born, college defensemen that the Canes had with Dumoulin (even though he succeeded at Pit), Faulk, Slavin, Pesce and even Hanifin; it sure seemed like McAvoy was right up their alley. At the time, someone suspected that Bean's offense was a skill that the Canes didn't have in their system, where McAvoy would have seemed like "more of the same", so maybe that was it, but it just seemed odd. I didn't know enough about either of them to like or hate the pick at the time though.
I remember us making the excuse for him that the drop was injury related but I can’t specifically remember if it was the chicken or the egg.I want to say Rask fell off after a shoulder injury? Or was that before the injury that he was falling off?
Tanguay over Heerema. It would have really set the team in another direction through the 2000s.
knowing PK would have played it cheap: I go a lot more recently and say McAvoy over Bean. TD would pony up to keep McAvoy. Its hard to imagine PK ponying up for Karlsson, Kopitar, or other with Staal, Ward, or others on the squad.
Imagining a D of Slavin-Hamilton, Pesce-McAvoy, Fleury-Faulk is AMAZING!!!!!!!
True but no Hamilton then.you could say the same about Prov or Were over Hanifin from a more recent draft.
True but no Hamilton then.
Redoing the 2014 and 2015 picks would put this team in another stratosphere with Wereski/Prov and Nylander.
oh well, hopefully the new crew can draft 1st rounders better while getting value in the later rounds.
All true.The problem with those what-ifs, is the domino effect. Do we still go after Aho in round 2 of 2015 if we already had drafted Nylander in 2014? Maybe not.
If we had Provorov/Werenski and Nylander vs. Hanifin/Fleury, do we end up in a position to draft Necas and more importantly, Svechnikov? Probably not.
The problem with those what-ifs, is the domino effect. Do we still go after Aho in round 2 of 2015 if we already had drafted Nylander in 2014? Maybe not.
If we had Provorov/Werenski and Nylander vs. Hanifin/Fleury, do we end up in a position to draft Necas and more importantly, Svechnikov? Probably not.