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Timing's great, piece on Hillis from today: 2018 NHL Draft prospect profile: Cameron Hillis is a centreman due for his breakout
Now when I see Brayden Point I think of Cam Hillis.
Timing's great, piece on Hillis from today: 2018 NHL Draft prospect profile: Cameron Hillis is a centreman due for his breakout
Not what I'm saying. My whole point is about quality vs quantity. Take BPA. Don't pass up on someone with a higher ceiling just to get a center with a lower ceiling.
I'm not saying it's impossible, just incredibly difficult. There are far more examples of players picked in the same range as our 2nds not becoming a grade A prospect than those who actually become grade A prospects.Flyers got one in Frost with the 27th pick. We have the 35th and 38th pick in a deep draft. I guess it depends on what your criteria is for a grade A center. I there there a few guys that could possibly be a grade A center 12 months from now around the 20-40 range. It's anybodies guess at development from here till 1 year down the road though. O'Brien, Dellandrea, Wise are some options. Other posters have mentioned a few other names as well.
The other thing I didn't touch on in the previous post is what we get for Patch as well. My plan would be to get one of Kotkaniemi, Hayton, Veleno, Kupari. I think one of them is available with the 15th pick and I think we can swing a deal with the Panthers.
I'm not saying it's impossible, just incredibly difficult. There are far more examples of players picked in the same range as our 2nds not becoming a grade A prospect than those who actually become grade A prospects.
I believe so. Not the majority, but I do believe that a few of them have top 6 potential.I absolutely get that part. Assuming the BPA is a center with 2 or 3 of our second rounders -- are any of these centers that may be available at our turn, potential top 6Cs?
Flyers got one in Frost with the 27th pick. We have the 35th and 38th pick in a deep draft. I guess it depends on what your criteria is for a grade A center. I there there a few guys that could possibly be a grade A center 12 months from now around the 20-40 range. It's anybodies guess at development from here till 1 year down the road though. O'Brien, Dellandrea, Wise are some options. Other posters have mentioned a few other names as well.
The other thing I didn't touch on in the previous post is what we get for Patch as well. My plan would be to get one of Kotkaniemi, Hayton, Veleno, Kupari. I think one of them is available with the 15th pick and I think we can swing a deal with the Panthers.
It looks that way now but wait a bit before confirming that. Also, I don't understand why people don't think last year was deep. At least you can see another year of last year's draft class and see their improvements. Besides the top 2 picks who weren't franchise altering players, I don't see that much difference between last year's and this ones. Except last year had much better center prospects.Easier this draft vs other drafts. Like I said, the 20-40 range is similar talent IMO. I bet you each teams rankings vary by a lot in that range.
It looks that way now but wait a bit before confirming that. Also, I don't understand why people don't think last year was deep. At least you can see another year of last year's draft class and see their improvements. Besides the top 2 picks who weren't franchise altering players, I don't see that much difference between last year's and this ones. Except last year had much better center prospects.
I knew there would be several quality choices available in the second round. I think a normal fan reaction is to throw as many picks at a C as you can, to favor our chances. Do you believe Timmins will at least use 3 of those picks on a C?
2 centers and 2 LD IMO. I think there is just as big of a hole on LD as we have at center.
Not what I'm saying. My whole point is about quality vs quantity. Take BPA. Don't pass up on someone with a higher ceiling just to get a center with a lower ceiling.
Just saw this.I'd be curious to see your top 55 ranked players and don't include McIsaac, Groulx, Ginning. That's my point. It's hard to say who I would pick by the time the 56th pick comes. Not sure how accurate Cam Robinson's rankings are but he has McIsaac ranked 45, Groulx 50, and Ginning 53.
But I do get your point. I just am not sure if that "star" potential target is there at 56. Look at O'Brien, Wise, Alexeyev, Sandin, Dellandrea, Tychonick types. What is the probability they are around with the 35th pick? If we are high on them, so are other teams. I just hope teams pass on certain players and draft by position of need and a few LD and C slip into the 35 and 38 picks.
Just saw this.
My top 55 includes McIsaac, never said a bad thing about him- I'm pretty neutral there. I can PM you my first two rounds worth of picks if you want
I think when it comes down to it, there are probably over 100 players in this draft with a higher upside than Ginning, he's just considered "safer" than most because he plays at a high level. McIsaac would be a real good pick in the 2nd I agree. I don't have faith he'll make it there, but if he does...You don’t have to. I know you have done your research. I just don’t know what’s really available once we pick 56 and 61/62. I think it’s drops off at some point in the 2nd round. As far as McIsaac.. I think he goes late 1st or early 2nd but won’t be surprised he slips either
I think when it comes down to it, there are probably over 100 players in this draft with a higher upside than Ginning, he's just considered "safer" than most because he plays at a high level. McIsaac would be a real good pick in the 2nd I agree. I don't have faith he'll make it there, but if he does...
Alright fair. I don't agree not disagree on McIsaac, like I said I'm pretty neutral there.You probably have looked more in detail with the 40+ pick rankings. I’ve been looking at 20-40 range in detail. That’s where the Habs get high ceiling guys.
I’m not high on McIsaac being a offensive type. I’d take him with the late 2nds though.. if he magically was still available. I would not take him with our early 2nds. Rather draft two centers instead if it came down to McIsaac as the best available LD at that point.
As fast as Ginning.. it was just a name I threw out there with the late 2nds. Not high or low on him
What are the chances NYR offers up their 3 1sts for pick 3?
I wouldn't do it either if I were them, just something I've seen brought up a few timesIf I were NYR, slim and none. But I could see maybe 2 1st and a late 2nd maybe? Guess it depends on how badly they want whoever at 3.
It would be glorious and fair imo. Kotkaniemi at 9 and hopefully Alexeyev and Berggren with the other 2. Or you can package for a higher 1st and go for Kravtsov or Farabee.What are the chances NYR offers up their 3 1sts for pick 3?
Just saw this.
My top 55 includes McIsaac, never said a bad thing about him- I'm pretty neutral there. I can PM you my first two rounds worth of picks if you want
If I had one pick, it would be Hillis. I'll gamble on that upside all day long. But for what it's worth.. they are one slot apart on my list.
Same on most draft lists. They're both ranked in that 45-50 range. They'll both probably be there at 38, but neither may be there at 56.
I'd draft Foudy at 38 & see if Hillis is available at 56. Of the 2, I think he would be the one to drop. There's so many players I'd love to take at 35, it's crazy.
Think we should take a D at the Caps pick.
I would take Hillis without hesitation.. Hillis is gonna play C if he makes it.. Foudy is a winger through and through.
There's a lot of undersized, skilled centers in this draft, Habs could potentially draft all centers after round one if they want too.
One of Hillis, Fonstad, Dudas, O'Brien, McBain, Khovanov, Wise, Drury, Topping, or McShane is going to be there at Toronto's pick. Other teams will pick D or wingers. We take the Best smallish skilled Center available at Toronto's pick.
McLaughlin & Foudy won't be there, so if you like Foudy's NHL upside then you have to take him at 38.
The kid has everything including amazing skating ability in every direction & on his edges. He can handle the puck at top speed too & he has good size.
I don't see us getting both, but it's more likely that Hillis is available with Toronto's pick than Foudy. And I don't want to draft either at 35.
I'd bet anything the Rangers or Oilers take Foudy at 39/40, if we don't take him at 38. Even if they don't, he's not falling to 56.
Bobby Mac had Hillis at 56 in his mid-term rankings & Hillis didn't have the kind of second half that increases his draft ranking. I like Hillis. I like him a lot better at 56.