Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[WillNy29]

If Mitch or Willie took the hit Pasta took from Edmundson last night they would have disappeared for a month. Pasta got up, battled and won the game. That folks is a player.

lmao youre seriously lumping in Nylander the guy who scored all 3 of our last goals (winning a game by himself) and actually fighting for pucks and playing hard with Marner.

You've honestly lost the plot. I saw Nylander nail wotherspoon and watching the game he took a bunch of punishment he just kept going. Marner shied away from contact. this is an unserious post.

 

[TonsofPuppies]

Say what you want about Simmons, but this aged like a fine wine, predictable as it was.

 

[Gary Nylund]

“Whoa Pasta, I didn’t see you there..”

LOLOL.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

The people talking about Marner's style not being effective in the playoffs are accurate.

Willy and Matthews are North/South. They want to go to the net and are always trying to get into the inside on puck battles and open ice plays. They work for their space. Marner doesn't. His style is about space and openness and the playoffs you have less of it. So he becomes REALLY perimeter orientated.

You can question Matthews and Willy in terms of mental makeup and if they can win in the playoffs. But stylistically, I would much rather try it with them than Marner. Plus Matthews and Willy are clearly tougher and more physical than Mitch.

I can't think of a single player who plays like Mitch who won. Comparing him to Kane are off-base. Willy is much closer to Kane stylistically than Marner is.

I can't think of a player who plays like Mitch who won anything.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Say what you want about Simmons, but this aged like a fine wine, predictable as it was.

Yeah I don't read the Sun anymore and Simmons is something of a d-bag but what can you say, sometimes he's right on the money.

 

[ToneDog]

lmao youre seriously lumping in Nylander the guy who scored all 3 of our last goals (winning a game by himself) and actually fighting for pucks and playing hard with Marner.

You've honestly lost the plot. I saw Nylander nail wotherspoon and watching the game he took a bunch of punishment he just kept going. Marner shied away from contact. this is an unserious post.

Nylander has come a long way. He is not Marner soft but he still avoids contact. He disappeared after the hit by Eyssimont.

 

[TonsofPuppies]

Yeah I don't read the Sun anymore and Simmons is something of a d-bag but what can you say, sometimes he's right on the money.

To be fair, literally everyone could see this and has seen it for years already. It's not like Simmons is some enlightened hockey analyst. You just have to have eyes. Which everyone in this city has, except for the ones running this team, apparently.

 

[Gary Nylund]

When people argue about giving up on the skill of MM if they trade him...they don't really realize that its like the old joke about potential:

Young boy is at dinner with his mom and dad along with his sister. He asks the dad what the difference between potential and reality is. The father then asks his wife and daughter if they would sleep with any guy for $10M. They say they would. The father then turns to his son and says "You see son, we are potentially sitting on $10M here...but the reality is we are living with a couple of whores"

An oldie but a goodie.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

For me, it's already written in stone that Marner is being traded.

Expect Glove Throwing #2 if it happens.

Trey said he "likes to keep good players" when he signed Nylander.

That makes me worry.

 

[DitchMarner]

So marner was playing injured.

Wait for it.

I don't think he was fully healthy, but I'm not sure Nylander was, either, and he scored three goals in four games and was the only one who could score at the end of the series.

Marner has a history of struggling to produce late in series. He seems to be regressing skill-wise in general, He's not big or strong; as his speed decreases, he'll become less effective physically.

If I still had faith in his ability to be a game-breaker and true difference-maker in the playoffs, I wouldn't have any issue with having him back. During the series, I never once said I don't like him or I want him off the team. I did say they needed him to step up and he couldn't do it. I have no reason to believe he will next year, either. It is time for a change.

Honestly, I think with shrewd re-tooling, TOR can become the team to beat in the Atlantic other than FLA. They've beaten TB. I think they can beat BOS. As of now, they're ahead of DET, BUF, OTT, MTL. There isn't really a good reason for them to not play FLA in round two and have some semblance of a shot at making it to round three next year.

 

[Stringer Bell]

I need someone to please play devil’s advocate for a minute. What is Marner’s camp’s case for a raise? Obviously they will present one. What is it?

 

[ToneDog]

I need someone to please play devil’s advocate for minute. What is Marner’s camp’s case for a raise? Obviously they will present one. What is it?

He is better than Nylander so he deserves more money. - The Marner camp

 

[fahad203]

I need someone to please play devil’s advocate for minute. What is Marner’s camp’s case for a raise? Obviously they will present one. What is it?

Contribution to Matthews 69 goal season
Kills PP
Consistently been point per game player last 8 years
Has one season where he was -1, otherwise his numbers 5 on 5 are great
Despite of playoff success, he still has 50 points in 57 playoff games
Home grown kid

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I need someone to please play devil’s advocate for minute. What is Marner’s camp’s case for a raise? Obviously they will present one. What is it?

The fact that they have to offer him a raise to even retain his rights perhaps.....?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I need someone to please play devil’s advocate for minute. What is Marner’s camp’s case for a raise? Obviously they will present one. What is it?

I suppose his 100 point regular season pace? And I've been told here many times by his fanboys that the playoffs are "a crap shoot" so they'll say that his AWOL playoff act is nothing more than a "fluctuation" due to "small sample size".

He's outscored Matthews over the years, so he deserves more money than Matthews. But because he's committed to winning, he'll take a team discount of 12.93 million.

 

[ToneDog]

The fact that they have to offer him a raise to even retain his rights perhaps.....?

He's under contract next season and is a pending UFA so he walks July 1, 2025 if you do not overpay him.

 

[Stringer Bell]

I suppose doesn't all of that equate to about a 10.9 million dollar salary/cap hit? I'm not seeing much that would build a case for more.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Absolutely no extension should be offered. Provide a list of teams you'd waive for and then add Utah to it. Stop crying bro it's not junior hockey. The guy constantly has the puppy dog eyes when things get tough. Should've drafted Hanifin

 

[Gary Nylund]

Absolutely no extension should be offered. Provide a list of teams you'd waive for and then add Utah to it. Stop crying bro it's not junior hockey. The guy constantly has the puppy dog eyes when things get tough. Should've drafted Rantanen

FYP

 

[ToneDog]

Absolutely no extension should be offered. Provide a list of teams you'd waive for and then add Utah to it. Stop crying bro it's not junior hockey. The guy constantly has the puppy dog eyes when things get tough. Should've drafted Rantanen.

Minor change.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He's under contract next season and is a pending UFA so he walks July 1, 2025 if you do not overpay him.

How time flies.....you are correct

 

[studebaker17]

The fact that they have to offer him a raise to even retain his rights perhaps.....?

That's not true , he's unrestricted and leafs hold zero rights.

 

[Stringer Bell]

I also don't understand why after all of this time he is still built like a boy, and not a man. You don't need to even have muscle or be "thick" to look like you've filled out as a man. You can still be a skinny man. But he's still built like a boy. It's weird.

 

[ToneDog]

How time flies.....you are correct

I thought the Dubas era would never end.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

This play pretty much encapsulates Mitch's game and is exactly what pisses people off.