Speculation: Mirtle/TheLeafReport trading Zaitsev or Hainsey

[ottomaddox]

The Leaf Report - Post Draft Breakdown podcast. Around the 7 min. mark of the show.

"I think there could be some trades that people aren't expecting. I could see Kyle Dubas trading Nikita Zaitsev or Ron Hainsey. I don't think they are going to bring back Roman Polak either."

Wow. Our entire right defense could be on the move?

What do you think?

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[Fogelhund]

It sucked last year. It needs fixing. No secrets there. How it gets done, who knows... .

 

[Maple Leaf]

I think our defense is garbage and wouldn't mind seeing any of them gone
Especially Gardiner and Zaitsev

 

[Joey Hoser]

I think our defense is garbage and wouldn't mind seeing any of them gone
Especially Gardiner and Zaitsev

So Rielly, ???, ???, ???, ???, and Hainsey is a better defense in your opinion?

Or does Hainsey have to go too?

 

[ShaneFalco]

Zaitsev with that contract isn't going to get a return

 

[Pi]

Zaitsev with that contract isn't going to get a return

You overestimate the GM's in this league.

Chiarelli will look at his point totals in his rookie year, see that he is an RHD and trade a first round pick for him.

 

[LeafSteel]

Man, it's not even July 1st, and between JT's decision and all this speculation, it's already killing me.

Dubas is such an unknown that it is impossible to predict what/where he is thinking. Not sure I trust him, but he sure seems to think he knows what/where he wants to go. I think Dubas is a lot more likely to go in a direction Lou would never do, or even think of, for better or for worse.

I'd feel more comfortable with Lou still at the helm as the GM's really are an old boy's club that I'm not sure Dubas fits into, but you can't say that Dubas lacks the 'nads or the confidence to work his plan, and he does have a big gun in Shanahan backing him up.

It all starts with Tavares' decision, and goes from there, but either way, I think we are in for one hell of a ride over the next few weeks/months.

 

[rent free]

if they can trade zaitsev and not take back an anchor contract, that would be amazing. the entire defense needs an overhaul and i want to believe dermott and possibly reilly are the only untouchables on the backend.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Can't move our only RHS d without one coming back, if he's still crap you leave him unprotected for the next expansion draft. There's no value in trading Hainsey, just ride out this year with him as a bottom pairing d & pk'er and call it a day.

 

[Maple Leaf]

So Rielly, ???, ???, ???, ???, and Hainsey is a better defense in your opinion?

Or does Hainsey have to go too?

If we are trading Gardiner, I would expect a defender coming back
Ideally one that doesn't make multiple bonehead plays every game

 

[ACC1224]

The Leaf Report - Post Draft Breakdown podcast. Around the 7 min. mark of the show.

"I think there could be some trades that people aren't expecting. I could see Kyle Dubas trading Nikita Zaitsev or Ron Hainsey. I don't think they are going to bring back Roman Polak either."

Wow. Our entire right defense could be on the move?

What do you think?

Sounds like he's speculating the same as people here do.
What makes these thoughts special?

 

[DanM]

You overestimate the GM's in this league.

Chiarelli will look at his point totals in his rookie year, see that he is an RHD and trade a first round pick for him.

That would be my dream!!

Oil suck and we draft Hughes next year.....

 

[dubplatepressure]

Wow. Our entire right defense could be on the move?

What do you think?

Hainsey and Zaitsev are not among the most important pieces of our blueline, either now or 2-3 years down the road.

 

[Green Snow Storm]

Yeah Zaitsev and especially Hainsey don’t play defence the way Dubas would like. Dubas wants six fluid puck movers.

 

[ULF_55]

Man, it's not even July 1st, and between JT's decision and all this speculation, it's already killing me.

Dubas is such an unknown that it is impossible to predict what/where he is thinking. Not sure I trust him, but he sure seems to think he knows what/where he wants to go. I think Dubas is a lot more likely to go in a direction Lou would never do, or even think of, for better or for worse.

I'd feel more comfortable with Lou still at the helm as the GM's really are an old boy's club that I'm not sure Dubas fits into, but you can't say that Dubas lacks the 'nads or the confidence to work his plan, and he does have a big gun in Shanahan backing him up.

It all starts with Tavares' decision, and goes from there, but either way, I think we are in for one hell of a ride over the next few weeks/months.

Keep in mind old boys club ages out just like players do, and Dubas has 30 - 40 years before he ages out.

Tempus fugit

Dubas was left with a mess on his defense, thanks in part to the Old Boys Club.

 

[Buds17]

There'd be acquisitions, or the internal replacements could produce a right side of Carrick/Holl/Ozhiganov. (Edit: To be fair, it said Zaitsev or Hainsey). Still, I don't expect more than one of the three to be in the opening night lineup.

Wouldn't be surprised with not re-signing Polak, but I don't know that there are six D to make Hainsey expendable, and I don't think a trade return on Zaitsev is going to be worth it, even as a RHD with term.

 

[MR4]

Could easily see Dubas tossing Hainsey out, think we'll wait a season on Zaitsev. But think there has to be a min. Top 4 quality RD coming back in a different trade to trade either

 

[Morbo]

I agree with Dubas, they all need to go.

 

[ottomaddox]

Yeah Zaitsev and especially Hainsey don’t play defence the way Dubas would like. Dubas wants six fluid puck movers.

I don't disagree, but they sure as hell better come up with a plan for penalty killing.

 

[Mikeyg]

Peddle the brain surgeon and zaitsev for d, then trade our first for tanev.

 

[ULF_55]

Peddle the brain surgeon and zaitsev for d, then trade our first for tanev.

Peddle the brain surgeon and zaitsev for d, then trade our first for tanev and therapist.

 

[ToneDog]

Zaitsev with that contract isn't going to get a return

Depends if Leafs are willing to take more money back or add a prospect or pick.

 

[ottomaddox]

Sounds like he's speculating the same as people here do.
What makes these thoughts special?

It's hard to answer or respond to the judge, jury, and executioner.

I don't believe there is anything "special". The point of posting this is to create Leaf hockey discussion. I am not posting this because I think it's special.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Depends if Leafs are willing to take more money back or add a prospect or pick.

True
They'd be selling low on him right now though

 

[ToneDog]

No sense in getting Tavares and not upgrading the D if the plan is to make this a serious SC threat this year.