Minnesota Wild General Discussion IV

[2Pair]

(during the regular season.) What is a good enough coach? Bruce is one of the winningest coaches in NHL history but he can't pick his assistants? This is a power move, plain and simple.

You have no idea WTF you're talking about because you spend zero actual time with the team. What if every player on the roster said that they didn't think he was a good coach? What if the players can't stand his PP? Would it still be "plain and simple" then?

 

[Saga of the Elk]

You have no idea WTF you're talking about because you spend zero actual time with the team. What if every player on the roster said that they didn't think he was a good coach? What if the players can't stand his PP? Would it still be "plain and simple" then?

You have no idea how I spend my time. But you assume Ryan Suter and Jonas Brodin and all the rest of the guys went to the GM and said we hate John Anderson and Paul Fenton declined to renew his contract, over the objections of the coach? Or is it more likely that Fenton has an assistant in mind so that he can have his own presence in there? Go back and read Russo's article on Bruce and John's friendship and tell me again that this is a pure hockey move. If you still believe that people don't make moves for personal reasons, I'll have no choice but to accept it.

To me, it's a shit-stirring move to establish the pecking order. Probably what a new GM should do, but an aggressive move, nonetheless.

 

[Bazeek]

I do think it's almost certain that replacing one of the assistants is a move for Fenton to put one of his own guys in the room. I think it's less certain that it was Anderson because of his closeness to Boudreau, but it's hard to rule it out.

I have to say though, pulling a power move on Boudreau seems a little like pulling one on a golden retriever.

 

[Wabit]

Meh, his contract was up and not renewed. He might be BB's buddy, but they really don't have a coaching history together before the Wild. Anderson has a good history as a developmental head coach, but nothing spectacular at the NHL level. Sometimes guys don't really translate well to the NHL, maybe it is something as simple as the message/delivery that works for kids/prospects is lost on 10 year NHL vets?

I thought Darby was the PP coach? Whoever it was doesn't deserve to be brought back. The PP was streaky last year, good or bad, but not much in between. Even when it was good it wasn't because of the o-zone setup, but more because the transition game worked well.

The not re-hire could also be a message to the players (depending on how much Anderson was liked), as much as to BB. I do wonder who made the call on several PP decisions:
-ZP gets prime PP time right as soon as he hit the ice.
-How Coyle ended up playing the point late in the season.
-Whatever Zucker was doing wandering around half the time.
-The inability to make adjustments and be completely predictable every game.

 

[Slotski]

Or, could it be, with 40 plus years in pro hockey, Anderson himself decided to pull the plug?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Or, could it be, with 40 plus years in pro hockey, Anderson himself decided to pull the plug?

They usually wouldn't phrase it "not having your contract renewed" if it was.

 

[Slotski]

They usually wouldn't phrase it "not having your contract renewed" if it was.[/QUOTE

I think you're probably right. My point wasn't my literal statement. It was simply to add another layer of idle speculation to a laundry list of idle speculations (granted some of the "speculations" offered as evidentiary facts.).

 

[TaLoN]

Bruce isn't any idiot either, maybe he and Fenton both agreed after talking things out, it was a move needed to be made?

People jumping to the conclusion that this is just a power move are purely guessing.

 

[Bazeek]

Cue the "when do we change the name back to the North Stars?" talk.

 

[57special]

If Fenton and BB didn't talk about this earlier, then it's a giant shot across the bow. For a coach of BB's stature, pretty insulting. Still wonder if there was more to Scott Stevens leaving.

 

[Wild11MN]

If Fenton and BB didn't talk about this earlier, then it's a giant shot across the bow. For a coach of BB's stature, pretty insulting. Still wonder if there was more to Scott Stevens leaving.

You can't just make that assumption. I know you said "if", but maybe Bruce was for it, we have no idea. Feels like over-speculating to me.

 

[Dee Oh Cee]

Sometimes working with friends doesn't always work so well. Anderson hadn't been in the NHL for a while had he? Maybe just wasn't a good fit. No idea what actually happened/happens unless they talk about it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I just can't bring myself to care about this.

 

[Wild11MN]

I just can't bring myself to care about this.

Same.

 

[2Pair]

You have no idea how I spend my time. But you assume Ryan Suter and Jonas Brodin and all the rest of the guys went to the GM and said we hate John Anderson and Paul Fenton declined to renew his contract, over the objections of the coach? Or is it more likely that Fenton has an assistant in mind so that he can have his own presence in there? Go back and read Russo's article on Bruce and John's friendship and tell me again that this is a pure hockey move. If you still believe that people don't make moves for personal reasons, I'll have no choice but to accept it.

To me, it's a ****-stirring move to establish the pecking order. Probably what a new GM should do, but an aggressive move, nonetheless.

I didn't/don't assume anything. You're the guy making definitve statements with zero facts.

 

[Wabit]

If Fenton and BB didn't talk about this earlier, then it's a giant shot across the bow. For a coach of BB's stature, pretty insulting. Still wonder if there was more to Scott Stevens leaving.

I'm not sure there was anything more to SS leaving than he wanted to be home more.
-He has a cushy gig with NHL network. I've no clue on how the pay compares, but it has to be less stressful, less travel, and regular hours.
-His name hasn't really been mentioned in coaching searches/interviews (that I've seen).
-He hasn't taken another coaching position. Minor league HC, NHL assistant coach, etc. I'd guess that he's been offered something in the past year.

SS might toss his hat back in the ring someday for a coaching position, but if it's not this off-season then I really can't say something in MN pushed him away.

 

[57special]

You can't just make that assumption. I know you said "if", but maybe Bruce was for it, we have no idea. Feels like over-speculating to me.

So you acknowledged that I said "if" , then commented as if I hadn't?

 

[Wabit]

So GMPF hires his buddy/mentor Jack Ferreira? At least he has a good track record. That's about all I can really say about something that doesn't mean much too me.

 

[2Pair]

So GMPF hires his buddy/mentor Jack Ferreira? At least he has a good track record. That's about all I can really say about something that doesn't mean much too me.

Every new face he brings in is a positive IMO. You can't have change if everyone stays in the same place.

 

[Minnesnota]

So far so good. I like these rock the boat type moves.

Next Up: GMPF does a driveby egging of Parise's house to establish dominance.

According to Russo, sounds like Dean Evason is the lead candidate to fill the coaching vacancy:

 

[123TripleDoge]

Makes sense

 

[Wabit]

Every new face he brings in is a positive IMO. You can't have change if everyone stays in the same place.

I'm not disagreeing, I just can't bring myself to really care about front office shuffling other than the GM.

RE: to Anderson replacement with Evason (potentially). Sounds like a move BB would be fine with, and probably had some input into the situation.

 

[2Pair]

I'm not disagreeing, I just can't bring myself to really care about front office shuffling other than the GM.

RE: to Anderson replacement with Evason (potentially). Sounds like a move BB would be fine with, and probably had some input into the situation.

Yeah, I don't really care who is in and who is out. I just like that Fenton seems to have a plan, and appears to be doing it how he wants it done.

 

[Wild11MN]

So you acknowledged that I said "if" , then commented as if I hadn't?

The latter was more directed at the board in general.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

I had some pretty dramatic reactions there. Just nice to have some news to discuss, sorry to put a spin on it without good reason.