Series Talk: MDSF: (3) Penguins vs. (2) Islanders - Part II

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

I wonder if Sully gets on the hot seat if we flame out in this first round?? Or how much dead weight we will shed this summer

 

[Gurglesons]

I just can't accept that this coaching staff thinks the roster is fine the way it is for Game 2 as well. They're unwilling to put the right guys together to win, dress the right guys to take advantage of what we have, and so forth.

It's just nuts to me. There's a very vocal group and in numbers, that saw what we saw. Yet some how, it's like that entire coaching staff saw an entirely ****ing different game.

And if we win tomorrow what happens?

 

[Gurglesons]

Listen, I hated the JJ signing and tried to be positive about it, then was overwhelmingly negative af about it because his play justified and warranted that response. He was terrible with virtually everyone except Schultz before he got hurt and that was because Justin Schultz was doing lords work carrying his ass. Then we got Pettersson and both did well together for a stretch, but when we got Gudbranson, JJ really started to turn his game around and was less of a nightmare, still a brutal defensemen at times, but his game started to simplify and he stopped making the mistakes that drove us nuts, on a frequent basis.

His bad **** got inconsistent - which was good.

But the weirdest thing is to go from using him all season, literally all ****ing season, and then inserting a slower moving defenseman that has been exploited for his decision making skills in his own end, lack of foot speed, and untimely pinches against an Islanders team that preys on that kind of player. It's like someone sent Sullivan a prank scouting report on Olli Maatta while ignoring everything he's seen and decided he was the right choice.

He wasn’t good though. Murray was.

He little canablized every positive of Schultz’s game. Notice how Schultz looked great and Pettersson looked great as soon as they shedded JJ. Olli is bad individual, but he isn’t a paperweight to his pairing.

 

[ncm7772]

I don't know man. Sometimes I think it's better to not know how it feels to know your team's capabilities and see it completely squander it 2yrs in a row.

What??!!! So you'd rather the Pens NOT win Cups?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

And if we win tomorrow what happens?

And if we lose again tomorrow, what happens?

Chances are, Trotz failed to take advantage of the last change and exploit the f*** out of Olli Maatta on the ice and Sullivan's horrible line juggling.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

What??!!! So you'd rather the Pens NOT win Cups?

Obviously not what I was saying. I was trying to make being a Sens fan feel less sucky.

 

[Gurglesons]

And if we lose again tomorrow, what happens?

Chances are, Trotz failed to take advantage of the last change and exploit the **** out of Olli Maatta on the ice and Sullivan's horrible line juggling.

JJ is probably back in? And you all can blame the series loss on Mike Sullivan’s “horrible line juggling” while demanding only a moron would not juggle the lines.

 

[ncm7772]

Jesus. It's like we drained all the logic out of the tank and we're just running this ship on empty come playoff time, huh?

This place is nuts. It's like the antithesis of reddit and facebook where everything is brainlessly optimistic, whereas this place is brainlessly pessimistic.

I absolutely love it.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

JJ is probably back in? And you all can blame the series loss on Mike Sullivan’s “horrible line juggling” while demanding only a moron would not juggle the lines.

Only a moron would put players that haven't worked consistently, back together. While keeping the ones that have worked well together, away from those players because - from what we can gather - the players don't want to play with each other.

Which begs the question, do those f***s even deserve to win with that kind of attitude? Is that kind of mentality you want from your players that are supposedly willing to do anything to win the cup?

I, often times, work with people I don't like, but when we work together, we f***ing kill it with our production. Working away from each other doesn't net the same result, but we do it because it works.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

JJ is probably back in? And you all can blame the series loss on Mike Sullivan’s “horrible line juggling” while demanding only a moron would not juggle the lines.

So we should go down 0-2 to really prove Olli Maatta shouldn't be in the line-up.

Sounds like a logical decision, mate.

 

[Gurglesons]

So we should go down 0-2 to really prove Olli Maatta shouldn't be in the line-up.

Sounds like a logical decision, mate.

Yeah, we have already lost tomorrow if Olli Maatta is in the line-up.

 

[Gurglesons]

Only a moron would put players that haven't worked consistently, back together. While keeping the ones that have worked well together, away from those players because - from what we can gather - the players don't want to play with each other.

Which begs the question, do those ****s even deserve to win with that kind of attitude? Is that kind of mentality you want from your players that are supposedly willing to do anything to win the cup?

I, often times, work with people I don't like, but when we work together, we ****ing kill it with our production. Working away from each other doesn't net the same result, but we do it because it works.

Jack Johnson and Justin Schultz have not worked together.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Yeah, we have already lost tomorrow if Olli Maatta is in the line-up.

Obviously not, but Olli Maatta played like usual Olli Maatta.

Expecting him to suddenly change and be a difference maker is likely not going to happen.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Jack Johnson and Justin Schultz have not worked together.

There were stats that showed Johnson was less ass with Schultz, in that context, yes they worked together.

Whereas, those same stats showed literally everyone was horrendous with Olli Maatta (and Jack Johnson for the most part, just a few bright spots with certain guys for JJ).

 

[Gurglesons]

There were stats that showed Johnson was less ass with Schultz, in that context, yes they worked together.

He still was statistically worse than Olli Maatta.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

He still was statistically worse than Olli Maatta.

I'm not understanding your hatred here.

On one hand, you absolutely hate JJ.

Olli Maatta is actually f***ing worse, but you're some how defending one turd for another turd. If this team didn't royally f*** around Riikola, we might have a 3rd option that means we see neither of those idiots in the line-up at all.

But then that means admitting our coaching staff is f***ing stupid with things like that, god forbid that happens.

 

[Gurglesons]

 

[bambamcam4ever]

I just can't accept that this coaching staff thinks the roster is fine the way it is for Game 2 as well. They're unwilling to put the right guys together to win, dress the right guys to take advantage of what we have, and so forth.

It's just nuts to me. There's a very vocal group and in numbers, that saw what we saw. Yet some how, it's like that entire coaching staff saw an entirely ****ing different game.

It's called groupthink. The discussions on this board would be much different if everyone had taken a month off from this board, then suddenly posted their thoughts.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Lol..."Unlucky" is a statistic.

Well I'm sold.

We still in this in 6. But we're likely doing it after going down 0-2.

 

[Gurglesons]

Lol..."Unlucky" is a statistic.

Well I'm sold.

No. It’s broken down for certain minds into that format

 

[BHD]

Even if Maatta plays, I think they manage to even up the series tomorrow night. The first game might have been them getting settled in. I hope...

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm not understanding your hatred here.

On one hand, you absolutely hate JJ.

Olli Maatta is actually ****ing worse, but you're some how defending one turd for another turd. If this team didn't royally **** around Riikola, we might have a 3rd option that means we see neither of those idiots in the line-up at all.

But then that means admitting our coaching staff is ****ing stupid with things like that, god forbid that happens.

Olli Maatta was as bad as JJ has been the majority of this season last night statistically.

 

[Pancakes]

I wonder if Sully gets on the hot seat if we flame out in this first round?? Or how much dead weight we will shed this summer

I suspect it would take another season after this of playoff and/or regular season struggles before he got on the hot seat, but I don't have any sources or anything.

Look at how long it took Chicago to move on from Quenneville.

 

[Ryder71]

I am not a fan of JJ but he is a level above OM. I genuinely think that Olli Maatta is one of the worst defencemen in the league.

I think that varies from game to game. Both have their frailties and shortcomings. But I'll say this without hesitation. I'm not clamoring for JJ to play. He could sink our ship just as easily as OM can.

 

[3074326]

At the end of the season, JJ was better than Maatta. I don't know how this is even a debate. Maatta wasn't the only reason the Pens lost last night, but he struggled at everything and was definitely part of the problem. The team looks better without him. **** all the statistics other than the record. The team is better when Maatta doesn't play this season.

EDIT: For context, I've been a Maatta defender the majority of this season.