Player Discussion Max Domi - The Maximum Dominator (70+ Point) Edition

[jaffy27]

He matched Gainey/Gauthier's accomplishments over 8 years in 7 years. Can't wait to see what he'll to in that 1 year to beat his predecessors. Amazing.

I’m sure it would break your heart to see this team succeed next year......I’m gonna Dikembe Mutumbo you right now

 

[jaffy27]

We'll be a power again with our younger group coming up to join the current young group. And most importantly MB hasnt wrecked out salary cap by panicking and throwing money at bad players. We rebuilt properly.

On the fly, we don’t have a genuine superstar at forward but I’m not interested in tanking anymore in the hopes that we win the lottery and in the hopes that that draft year there’s a Matthews/McDavid/McKinnon

 

[Miller Time]

Cry me a river..... If you want to live in the past, go on ! Look at the team NOW, and tell me frankly that this is not a competing, hard working team that will thrive in a near future. Since 1993, many management teams have screwed up, not only Bergevin's group, starting with Ronald Corey in the mid-90's. As for messing with a blue-chip prospect, Galchenyuk must assume 50% of his failure as a Hab. Immature kids can mess themselves pretty badly.

You open with complaining that I'm living in the past....
Then invoke the past screw ups to excuse today's ineptitude....

Inconsistent much?

You don't care or want to see a franchise striving for excellence, good for you. Nothing wrong with owning mediocrity, enjoy.

 

[Miller Time]

I'm not suggesting there is a conspiracy theory when I say rigged, it is done in full view. Our franchise is given no advantages based on past results, history, etc. I guess we can spend up to the cap, but everything else is a socialist utopia oriented towards creating a level playing field to the detriment of rich franchises.

Yes, our expectations are high, but I've also adapted to this new league. There's simply a lot of luck involved. 1 winner per year, 30 teams competing with the same access to ressources, results in a minuscule chance of winning a cup year after year, wether its MB or some super genius GM.

Parity makes it harder, yes.

Nevertheless, some sports teams are more successful than others at maintaining excellence despite the challenge, others make excuses.

I'd prefer our franchise be the former.

 

[Miller Time]

Listen, you have every rights to not trust the management and truthfully i still have my doubts, this summer is make it or break it for MB in my mind.

The prospect pool dosnt have anything to do with bottom 3 finishes, unless you count KK and Drouin in it?? Romanov,Brook,Ylonen,Ikonen,Fleury,Primeau are all coming from good drafting in later rounds.

Im not sure about AG being ruined, i was a fan, but i think hes largely responsible for where he is in his career,

You do realize that our draft spot affects each round, right?

 

[Miller Time]

Probably the worst draft year in recent history. Look at that Top 15. It’s putrid.

I mean the 1st overall pick busted. That never happens. Hasn’t happened since Stefan in 1999 and even he was better than Yakupov.

Sure, but as an individual prospect, he was a top 5 talent hands down, and would have been in most years, including last year.

While the shiny new toy is always exciting, there's no legit case to be made that JKO is a superior prospect at 18 than Galch was.

 

[Miller Time]

Blue chips are near guaranteed to reach their potential. Chucky was a coveted center prospect. Huge difference imo.

Hughes is a blue chipper. Matthews and Eichel were blue chippers.

Sure, but in that case JKO isn't a blue chip prospect either... That was the discussion point.

 

[Runner77]

To put Domi's performance to date in greater perspective:

 

[Toene]

On the fly, we don’t have a genuine superstar at forward but I’m not interested in tanking anymore in the hopes that we win the lottery and in the hopes that that draft year there’s a Matthews/McDavid/McKinnon

I kinda agree but still Lafrénière would be amazing in a Habs jersey (day-dreaming here obv.) though we'll probably have him 17 years down the road when he's close to retirement and scoring 40ish points by season, like all the old stars who sign here to die.

To put Domi's performance to date in greater perspective:

I'll be the party pooper but while Domi is my new favorite player and a total beast we got to remember the other names did it in lower scoring eras. But 75 points at C is number 1 territory in most eras, for sure.

 

[1909]

You open with complaining that I'm living in the past....
Then invoke the past screw ups to excuse today's ineptitude....

Inconsistent much?

You don't care or want to see a franchise striving for excellence, good for you. Nothing wrong with owning mediocrity, enjoy.

I do care, but I am patient. You cannot go from the pits to light speed in one season. Yes, there was incompetence throughout the Habs last 25 years history. But it was way worse at the turn of the XXI century than it is right now. The blame should not be on this actual group, but also with what the people before gave them to work with.

 

[Simarino]

You do realize that our draft spot affects each round, right?

cherry picking, arent we!?! So everything that turned out good is because MB was lucky and everything that went wrong is because hes stupid, is that it!!?? Im all for bashing MB and iiprobably bashed him more then everyone else here, but im not blinded by my hate for this guy to not see that hes done alot more good then bad in tle last 8 months!! That said if he screw it up this summer with some stupid moves ala Alzner, it was all for nothing and were back to square one.

 

[Deebs]

Sure, but in that case JKO isn't a blue chip prospect either... That was the discussion point.

We know he wasn't

 

[Miller Time]

I do care, but I am patient. You cannot go from the pits to light speed in one season. Yes, there was incompetence throughout the Habs last 25 years history. But it was way worse at the turn of the XXI century than it is right now. The blame should not be on this actual group, but also with what the people before gave them to work with.

1993-2019...

You are indeed patient.

Where I, and some pretty solid facts, disagree with you is on what this leadership group had to work with.

Give even a decent GM
- a full cap to work with (plus internal budget as big or bigger than 90% of their peers)
- a Hart/Vezina goalie entering his prime
- a Norris Dman, entering his prime
- a prolific goal scoring LW also entering prime

plus a solid mix of vets, a top-3 draft year, and a decent batch of prospects....

And I can guarantee that they'd do far better than MB's mediocre run.

Yzerman & Shanahan both have built far better situations despite inheriting worse set ups.

That's where your "patience" falls short.

 

[Miller Time]

cherry picking, arent we!?! So everything that turned out good is because MB was lucky and everything that went wrong is because hes stupid, is that it!!?? Im all for bashing MB and iiprobably bashed him more then everyone else here, but im not blinded by my hate for this guy to not see that hes done alot more good then bad in tle last 8 months!! That said if he screw it up this summer with some stupid moves ala Alzner, it was all for nothing and were back to square one.

?
He's been employed for 7 years.

Looking at 8 months & ignoring the rest is the definition of cherry picking.

Is he stupid? I don't know, have never met the man.
He has shown a slew of undesireable traits, and his decision making certainly has been terrible, but stupid? Meh, don't know & don't care.

He's just bad at the job of being an NHL GM.

 

[Miller Time]

We know he wasn't

You might want to reread the posts you were replying to.

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

HF in a nutshell. Domi is the having one of the most successful seasons as a centre for the Habs in the past 25 years and everyone is complaining about Bergevin. All the negativity when things are going well. Who knows if Bergevin actually knew what he was getting? I certainly don't and nor do you guys. There shouldn't be baseless arguments over hypotheticals.

 

[covfefe]

I kinda agree but still Lafrénière would be amazing in a Habs jersey (day-dreaming here obv.) though we'll probably have him 17 years down the road when he's close to retirement and scoring 40ish points by season, like all the old stars who sign here to die.




I'll be the party pooper but while Domi is my new favorite player and a total beast we got to remember the other names did it in lower scoring eras. But 75 points at C is number 1 territory in most eras, for sure.

Partially true - I'm splitting hairs here, but my crack research team tells me that 93-94 and 95-96 were higher scoring than this year. Koivu's two seasons, however, were during a noticeably lower scoring era.

 

[azcanuck]

HF in a nutshell. Domi is the having one of the most successful seasons as a centre for the Habs in the past 25 years and everyone is complaining about Bergevin. All the negativity when things are going well. Who knows if Bergevin actually knew what he was getting? I certainly don't and nor do you guys. There shouldn't be baseless arguments over hypotheticals.

He "lucked" into Domi. LOL.

The bitter fans on this site are hilarious. MB's made a lot of great moves lately. We are building towards something much better.
We peaked with the group we had making the conference final a few years back. Now it's been a nice quick rebuild and MB's done a great job.

 

[Tyson]

Max Domi has made following the Habs fun again

 

[Tyson]

He "lucked" into Domi. LOL.

The bitter fans on this site are hilarious. MB's made a lot of great moves lately. We are building towards something much better.
We peaked with the group we had making the conference final a few years back. Now it's been a nice quick rebuild and MB's done a great job.

If you look at Bergevin’s entire tenure you can then honestly assess that he has sucked as a GM. Maybe after 6 years of totally destroying this team he may finally be learning. I have serious doubts.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He "lucked" into Domi. LOL.

The bitter fans on this site are hilarious. MB's made a lot of great moves lately. We are building towards something much better.
We peaked with the group we had making the conference final a few years back. Now it's been a nice quick rebuild and MB's done a great job.

We can credit him for Domi but let's be honest, it was two problem children for one another. A lateral move that MB has been famous for since he got here.

Congrats to you if you predicted that Domi would be a 70 point player this season. I didn't and I don't think anyone did. And that includes Bergevin.

So sure, credit him but there's absolutely no way he could've known it was going to turn out this way. It was another reactive move on a like for like only this time it really paid off. I'm sorry, I can't credit him for being any kind of visionary here. I give him much more credit on the Suzuki trade. That was a true rebuild move and he got a great prospect out of it. He got lucky (again) on Tatar as he was a salary dump but whether Suzuki pans out or busts I will give him full credit for taking a chance on a prospect like that. It's one of the few moves he's made where I felt he demonstrated an actual vision on a trade.

 

[BadHabit]

I’m happy for Max this year, but we all have to be a bit more realistic in our expectations for both him and the team going forward.

Max has not shown this type of offensive flair before, and while I’m not saying he doesn’t have the tools to do it again, I think we should take a step back before proclaiming him a perennial 70+ point C in the NHL. The same goes for this team and Bergevin’s moves. How many players had career years this year, and we are still fighting for the last wild card?

If Domi has a similar year next year and the team is right in the mix again I’ll believe it. Until then, I’m not too sure. Regardless, kudos to him and the team on surpassing expectations.

With that being said, Bergevin does not get a pass. He made what seems to have been some good moves... let’s see how they play out and what he does in the off season.

 

[azcanuck]

We can credit him for Domi but let's be honest, it was two problem children for one another. A lateral move that MB has been famous for since he got here.

Congrats to you if you predicted that Domi would be a 70 point player this season. I didn't and I don't think anyone did. And that includes Bergevin.

So sure, credit him but there's absolutely no way he could've known it was going to turn out this way. It was another reactive move on a like for like only this time it really paid off. I'm sorry, I can't credit him for being any kind of visionary here. I give him much more credit on the Suzuki trade. That was a true rebuild move and he got a great prospect out of it. He got lucky (again) on Tatar as he was a salary dump but whether Suzuki pans out or busts I will give him full credit for taking a chance on a prospect like that. It's one of the few moves he's made where I felt he demonstrated an actual vision on a trade.

I did predict Domi would win you the trade. I now live in AZ and watched him grow here into the player he is now. He was very snakebit the last season here in AZ. I'm sure the Habs top brass , including MB, saw the same thing.
As for tatar and Suziki I dont care what the guess's are in respect for the "visionary mindset" of MB. That's not possible to calculate. But it looks already like a win for us in that dept.
Add in all the good draft picks the last couple of years and I'm excited about our future.

 

[Toene]

Partially true - I'm splitting hairs here, but my crack research team tells me that 93-94 and 95-96 were higher scoring than this year. Koivu's two seasons, however, were during a noticeably lower scoring era.

Interesting. I spoke without verifying but you're right. So even better look for Domi.

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

Why would Domi regress? The audacity... Domi is only 24 and getting better every day. We also have all of our new kids pushing for spots in the lineup. We're trending upwards, not down. Get a grip.