TheDevilMadeMe
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Doing a little thread necromancy here. And yes, this is totally self-serving since I have Maurice Richard in the current ATD.
But with recent discussion of Bobby Hull's defensive ability, I figure it could be an interesting topic of conversation.
There has been a lot of talk here in the past couple of years or so about Maurice Richard's supposed terrible defensive play, including this post from 70slord on the leafs chat board:
http://leafscentral.co.uk/forum/sho...t-like-Maurice-Richard-as-much-as-most-people
It gotten to the point where I've seen more than one young poster talk about Richard like he was some Bure-level liability without the puck.
I think the original idea is that since Richard "is the best from the blue line in," it somehow means he is terrible at everything else, when the original context is a comparison to Gordie Howe, specifically: "Richard was the best from the blue line in, Howe was better rounded and better overall." Well, it's not exactly an insult to be a step or two below Howe in terms of "completeness."
Anyway, overpass recently found this article by the great sportswriter Jim Coleman from 1979, listing his top 10 players of all-time. Here's what he said about Richard:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AAAIBAJ&dq=jim coleman gerard&pg=1177,1036622
Add it to the Michael Ulmer quote posted by BM67 above that specifically lists Bobby Hull, Wayne Gretzky, and Mario Lemieux as players worse than Richard defensively. (It's obvious he's talking about Bobby, not Brett, right?) And I start to wonder, why Maurice Richard seems alone as the only player of his era "picked on" for being disinterested in the defensive side of things.
I remember in the discussion for the last HOH Top 100, Richard's lack of defense was specifically cited. And yet, I see no reason whatsoever to consider him worse defensively than Bobby Hull (not to keep picking on Hull, but he is the closest comparable among Top 10 players). Bobby Hull was physically stronger and had a robust physical game at times, and the Ulmer quote above specifically indicates that Richard didn't like to initiate physical contact (though he sure fought through it more than perhaps any other player in history). Bobby Hull very well may have been a better player than Maurice Richard (his regular season offensive record is definitely better). But I can't consider him a better defensive player than the Rocket. And yet, I've seen enough evidence to consider Hull "not bad, even if not great" without the puck.
What is it that makes Richard worse without the puck than your average superstar goal scoring winger?
But with recent discussion of Bobby Hull's defensive ability, I figure it could be an interesting topic of conversation.
There has been a lot of talk here in the past couple of years or so about Maurice Richard's supposed terrible defensive play, including this post from 70slord on the leafs chat board:
http://leafscentral.co.uk/forum/sho...t-like-Maurice-Richard-as-much-as-most-people
It gotten to the point where I've seen more than one young poster talk about Richard like he was some Bure-level liability without the puck.
I think the original idea is that since Richard "is the best from the blue line in," it somehow means he is terrible at everything else, when the original context is a comparison to Gordie Howe, specifically: "Richard was the best from the blue line in, Howe was better rounded and better overall." Well, it's not exactly an insult to be a step or two below Howe in terms of "completeness."
Anyway, overpass recently found this article by the great sportswriter Jim Coleman from 1979, listing his top 10 players of all-time. Here's what he said about Richard:
The most thrilling performer of his particular era and he could be described as a latter-day Morenz. No one ever matched his ferocious assaults on the opposition net or his ability to score goals while being hogtied by desperate defensemen. His defensive ability has long been unjustly ignored by hockey historians. The left wings who played against him, seldom scored goals.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AAAIBAJ&dq=jim coleman gerard&pg=1177,1036622
Add it to the Michael Ulmer quote posted by BM67 above that specifically lists Bobby Hull, Wayne Gretzky, and Mario Lemieux as players worse than Richard defensively. (It's obvious he's talking about Bobby, not Brett, right?) And I start to wonder, why Maurice Richard seems alone as the only player of his era "picked on" for being disinterested in the defensive side of things.
I remember in the discussion for the last HOH Top 100, Richard's lack of defense was specifically cited. And yet, I see no reason whatsoever to consider him worse defensively than Bobby Hull (not to keep picking on Hull, but he is the closest comparable among Top 10 players). Bobby Hull was physically stronger and had a robust physical game at times, and the Ulmer quote above specifically indicates that Richard didn't like to initiate physical contact (though he sure fought through it more than perhaps any other player in history). Bobby Hull very well may have been a better player than Maurice Richard (his regular season offensive record is definitely better). But I can't consider him a better defensive player than the Rocket. And yet, I've seen enough evidence to consider Hull "not bad, even if not great" without the puck.
What is it that makes Richard worse without the puck than your average superstar goal scoring winger?