Player Discussion Mattias Samuelsson, LHD (USNTDP), The Antidote, Distributing Cobra Strikes
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SabresFan26
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No worries KA signed him to a 7 year deal despite never scoring an NHL goal.
TheMistyStranger
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joshjull
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Because clearly Sammy is here to score goals.
It was a dumb contract. You don't give a player a 7 year deal before they play 70 games. Especially when there are no external factors such as a tight salary cap forcing your hand. There was no upside with that deal, just a shit ton of risk.
It was nearly as dumb as the Power deal.
Especially dumb when you consider what he is... a defensive D-Man. How much are you even saving if he demonstrates he is really good? I mean, Slavin is at 5.3, Cernak at 5.2, Pulock at 6.1... these are all proven guys. Sabres locked up an unproven low output guy without any real saving potential (he is never playing on the PP, never going to put up big points which gets people paid). I get Thompson, I get Cozens... calculated gambles. Sammy just does not add up.
Matt Ress
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I get that but they could all be good ones if the players put in off-season work and perform on the ice. Right now all of those early risk contracts look horrible.
Judging long-term contracts in year one when the Sabres are playing bad. It's what a damaged/abused fan base does. Maybe we can start judging after a 2-3 year consistent trend develops...nah...too rational.
Tell me the comps for a top 4 defensive (likely bottom pair on a good team) d-man who is 3 years out of UFA?
It's kinda of a hard comp to find. Brett Pesce signed a 6 year, 24M with 1 year left on his ELC.
The difference being Pesce had 150+ games logged.
Samuelsson had 54 games logged.
There was literally nothing Samuelsson could have done during that season to earn a larger contract that what he got. He would have suddenly had to become an offensive dynamo. There was zero reason to do that extension when they did it.
It was a dumb contract the minute it was signed. It was a "well we hope you are good, he's guaranteed money just in case"
HOOats
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His contract should age just fine. His contract is also tradeable. He remains my dark horse to move if Adams wants to send a shock through the cozy locker room.
Trading him with futures for a better D might be the way to improving the top 4. Another team could be up for swapping a more expensive top pair guy for a younger cheaper near-replacement.
Trading him with futures for a better D might be the way to improving the top 4. Another team could be up for swapping a more expensive top pair guy for a younger cheaper near-replacement.
Doug Prishpreed
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What a bad take.
What's worse:
judging a contract as a fan after one season, or giving one out as a GM after less than one season's worth of games?
Sounds like you'd pick the former, which finally explains everything you've posted up until now.
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How many of the Sabres D need to regress before we admit that it is not a personnel issue?
I'm waiting for RJohnson's play to flag and then it will be all of the ones under 28... so basically almost all of them.
TheMistyStranger
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Johnson has been everything advertised and more. Kid has a bright future.
True, but his solid positional play, active stick and reads are all things Samuelsson also has shown up to this year. There is still time for the Wilfordness to creep into his game.
I'd be curious to break down his metrics with and without Dahlin since there have been plenty of times where Dahlin has been ass and everyone on the ice pays for it. They have not played well together this year unlike the last two.
Mattias now having had yet another injury is starting to remind me a bit of Tanev - a very good defensive defenseman who does things that wind up putting him out of the lineup 20-30 games a year.
Mattias now having had yet another injury is starting to remind me a bit of Tanev - a very good defensive defenseman who does things that wind up putting him out of the lineup 20-30 games a year.
There were 0.0% of people complaining about his contract last year. Now its mental gymnastics to convince yourselves his not even high cap hit was never worth it.
Beerz
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Out of all the contracts .. Sammy's is the one I am least concerned about.
pretty sure Doak complained about it, along with just about any other contract KA signed players too.
He was signed prior to that season wasn't he? Also complaining about every single signing for an anti KA narrative doesn't count as a valid statistical opinion.
As others have pointed out, you may want to search on Doak's post history. Granted, in his defense, he hadn't actually seen Samuelsson play to get why people were excited about how he was performing, so there is that.
You can not like the idea of offering a long-term contract based on a short-term sample of games. That's a totally valid reason to be skeptical, but none of us know how good or bad the contract value will be in year one. Judging it in year one, when year one happens to be a shit season which, IMO, is at least half to blame for poor coaching, is just not very insightful. Clearly this team has more potential and can play better as a whole. When/if that happens under better coaching, suddenly a lot of opinions will change.
And you go and say, "hold my beer and watch this" with this post.
I never judged this contract one way or another. I can say the cap hit isn't terrible. I can say it might prove to be poor judgement. I can say a couple more things, but I can't say "It was a dumb contract" (quoting TehDoak) when it's not even past the first year. It's not possible to judge for now, and probably not for a couple more years either.
You go on with your usual caustic routine though. Go post some more ridiculous sweeping assumptions about what/how I post.
Anyone using contracts that were negotiated by Ron Francis as realistic comps needs to give their head a shake.
Francis has some hall of famer negotiating mind control super power. He gets his RFAs to consistently sign well below market value.
Francis has some hall of famer negotiating mind control super power. He gets his RFAs to consistently sign well below market value.
Lol. While I had seen some of Samuelsson, unless he floating above the ice and melting goalies with his eyes night in and night out, signing a player to a 7 year deal with under 60 games played makes zero sense.
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