Prospect Info: Mark McNeill, the (Re-)Forgotten Man

[ChiHawks10]

With Motte out and the hit that Hinostroza took last night, if he misses significant time, the Hawks will be in a position to bring someone up and McNeill has to be on the short list.
The only other guy that has played well in Rockford is Spencer Abbott.

Oh yeah, there is some Mashinter guy that got a hat trick the other night.
Nvm - I answered my own question.

Please, God, no. Unless he looks like 5 times the player he was last year... I don't want him anywhere near the Hawks lineup. Period. Should be McNeill that comes up for his last chance at cracking the Hawks roster.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Mark Mcneill

6 goals and 20 assists in 51 games while a -16

Will turn 24 in a week

Anyone still think he is other then a massive bust at this point?

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Mark Mcneill

6 goals and 20 assists in 51 games while a -16

Will turn 24 in a week

Anyone still think he is other then a massive bust at this point?

Maybe his spirit was broken. Not an excuse just maybe an explanation.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Mark Mcneill

6 goals and 20 assists in 51 games while a -16

Will turn 24 in a week

Anyone still think he is other then a massive bust at this point?

Stanley strikes again

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I honestly didn't realize he only had 6 goals until I saw it posted in that Lazar thread on trade board

 

[Hawkaholic]

Meh, you win some you lose some. Stan has won more than he has lost.

 

[Blue Liner]

Stanley strikes again

Elaborate, please.

 

[clydesdale line]

Maybe his spirit was broken. Not an excuse just maybe an explanation.

Definitely. Not nearly the same player he was last season even in effort from the few games I've seen. (Although to be fair, I can name a couple of other guys who have fallen off in their play as well. A bad team overall doesn't help either)

I mean the Hawks essentially gave up on him by waiving him. Like Beach, noone wanted him. And I'm sure like Beach, he will be playing overseas in the not too distant future.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Mark Mcneill

6 goals and 20 assists in 51 games while a -16

Will turn 24 in a week

Anyone still think he is other then a massive bust at this point?

I can't call him a bust considering where he was picked..... Absolutely he would be if he was a top 10 pick.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Elaborate, please.

I was mocking BWC's obsession with "Stanley's blunders"

 

[Blue Liner]

I was mocking BWC's obsession with "Stanley's blunders"

Never mind. Your angry face made me unsure if you were sarcastic or not. Carry on!

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I can't call him a bust considering where he was picked..... Absolutely he would be if he was a top 10 pick.

He was 18th overall pick in draft and has played 1 NHL game and looks like he will struggle to play another NHL game at this point (No NHL teams wanted him when he was on waivers for free)

He is a bust ,, A 1st rounder especially mid round pick who performs as he has is a bust

Just because he wasn't a top 10 selection doesn't change that

 

[Hawksfan2828]

He was 18th overall pick in draft and has played 1 NHL game and looks like he will struggle to play another NHL game at this point (No NHL teams wanted him when he was on waivers for free)

He is a bust ,, A 1st rounder especially mid round pick who performs as he has is a bust

Just because he wasn't a top 10 selection doesn't change that

I think it does, because outside of the first round there are usually a few players (if not more) that never make the NHL or only end up playing a few games...

You know who was a bust? Kyle Beach.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Look at the 2011 first round and who crapped out...

11th overall Duncan Siemens 1GP
18th overall Mark McNeill 1GP
21st overall Stefan Noesen 21GP
22nd overall Tyler Biggs 0GP
25th overall Stuart Percy 22GP
28th overall Zack Phillips 0GP

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Besides, who cares when the Hawks hit gold with Saad... Of course Danault too.

 

[Enyaw]

I dont understand the love for a guy who has played 1 NHL game and was on waivers and NO team in the NHL claimed him

Sux that the Hawks wasted a 1st round pick

 

[BK]

What defines a bust exactly?

Is Jack Skille a bust? 350+ NHL games and he has not carved a role out as a speed/energy type 4th liner.

Beech is a bust for sure.

McNeil looks like he had his spirit broken this year by not making the team. Would he be better than Desi or Tootoo? Is he a bust if he ends up playing 300 games in another organization as a 4th line grinder who is solid around the net?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

What defines a bust exactly?

Is Jack Skille a bust? 350+ NHL games and he has not carved a role out as a speed/energy type 4th liner.

Beech is a bust for sure.

McNeil looks like he had his spirit broken this year by not making the team. Would he be better than Desi or Tootoo? Is he a bust if he ends up playing 300 games in another organization as a 4th line grinder who is solid around the net?

He went unclaimed on waivers to start year so debatable if he's even valued by other orgs at this point. Probably safe to say the pick is approaching bust territory.

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

We need to let him walk after this year. Although I am hoping that he is traded at the deadline just so I can watch other people play instead of him

 

[Toews2Bickell]

He's a UFA after season, no? Can't imagine he will resign with Hawks even if they offered. It just isn't working out for him here.

 

[Hawkaholic]

He was 18th overall pick in draft and has played 1 NHL game and looks like he will struggle to play another NHL game at this point (No NHL teams wanted him when he was on waivers for free)

He is a bust ,, A 1st rounder especially mid round pick who performs as he has is a bust

Just because he wasn't a top 10 selection doesn't change that

For me, there is a pretty massive difference between being a massive bust, and a bust. McNeil is barely a bust, considering he was picked in the last half of the 1st round.

A massive bust is a top 5 guy not making the NHL, a sure bust is a top 15 guy not making the NHL.

 

[pvr]

Maybe his spirit was broken. Not an excuse just maybe an explanation.

Can't help but think this has something to do with it. I think the Hawks organization strung him along. They should have given him his walking card two years ago, so he could latch onto another organization while still reasonably young.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

It took Panik until he was 25 to find an organization that would put him in a position to succeed. Still a small chance McNeil finds a niche somewhere. Have to imagine there is not much interest in him around the league as I don't think Bowman would bury someone in the minors for that long if he knew he wouldn't have a future in the organization. Bad business and bad asset utilization.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

The real problem (for McNeill) is that the Hawks just drafted better versions of him, and got better versions of him via trade.....

Hartman basically made McNeill redundant.

I'm sure some NHL team will sign him to a 2-way contract this summer or he will get a job in Europe somewhere....

The guy is still pretty young so you never know.

 

[Blackhawks]

The real problem (for McNeill) is that the Hawks just drafted better versions of him, and got better versions of him via trade.....

Hartman basically made McNeill redundant.

I'm sure some NHL team will sign him to a 2-way contract this summer or he will get a job in Europe somewhere....

The guy is still pretty young so you never know.

I am always baffled by these types of comments/arguments. So if the team had another Hartman on the ice that would not benefit the team? Shmaltz does not replace TT and Hartman does not replace McNeil, it would actually be nice to have both TT and another Hartman on the team right about now and would make the team much STRONGER and thus they would not be REDUNDANT.