Injury Report: LTIR for Smith

[voxel]

Skinner had miserable numbers in the ECHL and AHL.

There’s got to be another way !

Oh he was bad... but all our Condors goalies were garbage. I have no faith in any of them but Skinner is the best of the steaming pile of poop. Starrett fell off a cliff after his injury (concussion?)

 

[shoop]

Hands up how many people were angry at the time when we declared our 23 man roster and didn't see Forsberg's name on it?

Bingo. Nobody really saw Forsberg getting claimed.

I still don't understand why Carolina claimed him only to waive him right away.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Bingo. Nobody really saw Forsberg getting claimed.

I still don't understand why Carolina claimed him only to waive him right away.

To protect them if their own goalie they waived didn’t make it through

 

[Spawn]

He filled it pretty early on by signing Forsberg, and now in hindsight he screwed up by not having him on the 23 man roster. Curious how many other teams had 3 goalies on their initial 23 man roster, going to guess not many. If we had done that and lost Lagesson, would have had a lot of people mad as well. Hands up how many people were angry at the time when we declared our 23 man roster and didn't see Forsberg's name on it?

There is definitely some hindsight. But that's why Holland is being paid what... $5M per year. He needs to be able to foresee these situations.

Bingo. Nobody really saw Forsberg getting claimed.

I still don't understand why Carolina claimed him only to waive him right away.

Because they had the foresight that Holland didn't. They wanted to ensure that they had a backup plan if the guy they wanted to sneak through ended up claimed. Once he made it through they no longer needed that backup plan. The Oilers backup plan is Stuart Skinner and Olivier Rodrigue.

 

[The Nuge]

We should have just signed Jimmy Howard the day Forsberg got claimed. We need another goalie asap now

 

[alphahelix]

We’re going to have to win games 6-5

So basically nothing has changed?

 

[McDNicks17]

They really need some kind of expedited system for goalies and quarantine.

Even if they got someone and got them to Edmonton tomorrow, they probably wouldn't even be ready until early February.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

What happened to him?

Turned 38

 

[shoop]

They wanted to ensure that they had a backup plan if the guy they wanted to sneak through ended up claimed. Once he made it through they no longer needed that backup plan.

10 teams waived goalies. Not sure if that means 9 of those GMs were bad for not having a backup plan and claiming a goalie they might not need.

 

[MessierII]

The smart play is to have 3 goalies on the roster this year.

 

[nabob]

We’re a Koskinen injury away from a Skinner/Rodrigue tandem. 22 and 20 years old respectively.

Most teams would be quite screwed if their top two goalies got injured...

 

[nabob]

Funny how a lot of people didn’t like the Forsberg signing originally and didn’t understand why he was signed. Now we need more backups and their wondering why we didn’t sign more backups.

 

[Del Preston]

Trade for Kuemper!

 

[GOilers88]

It's amazing how fast people will go from happy to telling us how badly Ken Holland has botched everything when something completely random and unforseen happens. Just like with AA and covid shutting down the season.

"Should have for seen a global pandemic coming and flattening the cap!"

"Should have forseen Mike Smith getting injured a day after the season starts and Carolina claiming his insurance goalie that they let walk away but a few months ago!"

Good lord

 

[McDNicks17]

Trade for Kuemper!

The quarantine rules make a trade really hard.

Koski would have to probably play 10 more games straight before Kuemper would be available unless they give Skinner some games.

 

[DropTheGloves]

It's amazing how fast people will go from happy to telling us how badly Ken Holland has botched everything when something completely random and unforseen happens. Just like with AA and covid shutting down the season.

"Should have for seen a global pandemic coming and flattening the cap!"

"Should have forseen Mike Smith getting injured a day after the season starts and Carolina claiming his insurance goalie that they let walk away but a few months ago!"

Good lord

Neither of those are examples in Holland's favor. AA wasn't an unknown quantity to him and he should've known better than to give up two 2nds. That's on him.

Re: Forsberg, he had a very simple path to not having this happen (waive Chiasson or another poison pill skater) and didn't do it. He also clearly hasn't gotten a handle on the loose lips around this org, because Jason Gregor of all people actually got valid intel that Smith was out long-term. That shouldn't happen and now he somehow has less leverage than before.

You can be happy with the signings he made but also be unhappy with how he's handled the goaltending. I don't see how those are mutually exclusive.

 

[nturn06]

We should have just signed Jimmy Howard the day Forsberg got claimed. We need another goalie asap now

I really hate to say this, but Sparks may be a better option than Skinner, and he should still be in Canada.

 

[Joey Moss]

Predictable.. 38 year old goalie who relies on athleticism does not scream reliability. He should just stay on IR. IMO the 3rd goalie is a huge problem and shouldn't be put off. If Koskinen gets injured/covid we are f***ed. You then have to make a panic addition where that player has to quarantine anyways. This is a big deal honestly.

 

[GOilers88]

Neither of those are examples in Holland's favor. AA wasn't an unknown quantity to him and he should've known better than to give up two 2nds. That's on him.

Re: Forsberg, he had a very simple path to not having this happen (waive Chiasson or another poison pill skater) and didn't do it. He also clearly hasn't gotten a handle on the loose lips around this org, because Jason Gregor of all people actually got valid intel that Smith was out long-term. That shouldn't happen and now he somehow has less leverage than before.

You can be happy with the signings he made but also be unhappy with how he's handled the goaltending. I don't see how those are mutually exclusive.

That wasn't the point I was making about AA. Criticism was that it was a waste of picks on top of not resigning him, when in reality the plan was very likely to resign him but then covid hit and f***ed up the cap. Not something anyone could have seen coming and planned for.

Nobody had anything bad to say about our goalie situation other than they didn't like Mike Smith. Up until yesterday morning nobody was complaining that he didn't go out and sign other goalies because nobody had a damn clue that Carolina was suddenly going to reclaim a goalie they moved on from months ago when they could have signed him.

Much like a ton of players who were forced to go through waivers this past week,I'm sure most GM's had to do things they hadn't planned on.

Once again people are just using hindsight as some sort of I told you so about poor management again and I don't buy it. Have some faith that the man can navigate this without freaking out that our season is suddenly hanging by a thread and it's all because we have a GM who doesn't know how to run a team. Everyone seems to expect this team to be super mentally tough and resilient and it's funny because half the fan base turn into snivelling whiners at the mere thought of adversity.

Agree to disagree.

Edit: Was a little more aggressive than I intended but I'm just amazed at how quick the script flips in 12 hours. Yesterday it was peaches and cream all of a sudden the whole season could be a wash.

 

[belair]

We should have just signed Jimmy Howard the day Forsberg got claimed. We need another goalie asap now

I actually wanted him over Smith. I don't know what the hold up is.

 

[bellagiobob]

The quarantine rules make a trade really hard.

Koski would have to probably play 10 more games straight before Kuemper would be available unless they give Skinner some games.

No back to backs for the next eight or so, limited travel, so doable for the next while.

 

[DropTheGloves]

That wasn't the point I was making about AA. Criticism was that it was a waste of picks on top of not resigning him, when in reality the plan was very likely to resign him but then covid hit and f***ed up the cap. Not something anyone could have seen coming and planned for.

Like I said, if he never trades for him, he never wastes the picks. Holland should've known what he was (and how big a pain in the ass he would be to sign).

Nobody had anything bad to say about our goalie situation other than they didn't like Mike Smith. Up until yesterday morning nobody was complaining that he didn't go out and sign other goalies because nobody had a damn clue that Carolina was suddenly going to reclaim a goalie they moved on from months ago when they could have signed him.

Again, you're (willfully?) ignoring it wasn't the claim itself but the lack of execution that Holland is getting and deserves flak for. He had a way to keep Forsberg as the third goalie. Other teams have held onto a third for this very reason. He didn't do it though and that's on him.

Once again people are just using hindsight as some sort of I told you so about poor management again and I don't buy it.

Agree to disagree.

If I tell you not to put your hand on the stove and you do it, leading to a second degree burn, is that "hindsight" in your opinion or just common sense?

 

[CupofOil]

Is everybody drunk? How is Smith getting hurt Holland's fault? Sheesh.

It can be argued that Forsberg shouldn't have been waived in the first place but I don't see how Smith getting hurt creates responses like "Nice signing Holland", "Boy, he really botched this".

Anyway, so many of you hated the Smith signing from the beginning calling him the worst goalie in the league so this is good, right?
In any event, he needs to find a goalie now. Waiving Forsberg was obviously a mistake.

 

[nabob]

Neither of those are examples in Holland's favor. AA wasn't an unknown quantity to him and he should've known better than to give up two 2nds. That's on him.

Re: Forsberg, he had a very simple path to not having this happen (waive Chiasson or another poison pill skater) and didn't do it. He also clearly hasn't gotten a handle on the loose lips around this org, because Jason Gregor of all people actually got valid intel that Smith was out long-term. That shouldn't happen and now he somehow has less leverage than before.

You can be happy with the signings he made but also be unhappy with how he's handled the goaltending. I don't see how those are mutually exclusive.

You mean the team gave info to the media and the media released that info. How Scandalous!!!

seriously you’re constantly trying to make mountains out of molehills.

 

[bellagiobob]

There is definitely some hindsight. But that's why Holland is being paid what... $5M per year. He needs to be able to foresee these situations.



Because they had the foresight that Holland didn't. They wanted to ensure that they had a backup plan if the guy they wanted to sneak through ended up claimed. Once he made it through they no longer needed that backup plan. The Oilers backup plan is Stuart Skinner and Olivier Rodrigue.

Holland’s problem was not having a decent third string goalie who didn’t require waivers, like many other teams have, which is primarily a failure of previous management regimes.