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Maybe.Is that why Pelley kept on repeating "Chemistry and Unity"
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I just thought his program was glitched.
Maybe.Is that why Pelley kept on repeating "Chemistry and Unity"
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I agree.
The line between winning and losing is such a fine one come playoff time. I remember when the Caps finally busted through against the Pens they talked to Sid and asked him what the Caps did differently.
He answered saying they didn't do anything differently than other years. He cited how sometimes it comes down to a break here and a bounce there. He wasn't discrediting the Caps in any way but saying it's very hard to win in the playoffs.
Leafs core are in their prime right now and I truly think they need the right voice to get them over that hump.
I 100% guarantee Edwards was involved in those two contracts in Calgary to some degree beyond just a DocuSign.If reports are true and the Flames owner told Conroy not to trade
with the Leafs you would have to imagine the had a big say in the contracts signed by Hubs and Naz.
I also believe he didn’t have full say in Willy’s contract.
I 100% guarantee Edwards was involved in those two contracts in Calgary to some degree beyond just a DocuSign.
Sid's stirring the social media pot
I dont think him retiring and going upstairs reflects on Toronto anymore than when Neely went upstairs and won a cup. Upon reflection, if offered assistant GM, Tavares may realize that he is passed his peak but not finished with hockey. The truth is , since Tavares is from Toronto he may see leaving as better than hanging on. Fans will howl at the moon if he gets 50 pts next year and Shanahan will never survive. I think its Shanahans last kick at the can and he has been told let Tre do what he has to do. Tre will talk to Tavares and I bet all options will be discussed.I don’t think that would look good at all on the organization if they did that, especially if they tried to bring in any more “hometown” players who would be interested in coming here in the future.
The odd thing is Shanny was a power forward himself. You'd think he would know a guy like Hyman would be good for reg and playoffs. Hyman is racking up the goals because they are using him with McDavid and gang to be a good scoring option around the net while McDavid/Dry zoom around and shoot from anywhere. They know Hyman will standing in front of the net. Leafs didnt use him that way. He got pushed out as they preferred JT to be that guy. Problem is Hyman is a but younger and seems way fresher and mobile than JT even though he's only 2 years younger than JT.Shanahan should have realized Zach Hyman can never leave Toronto. Hyman should being wearing the C in TOronto. On that young team full of ego, they needed 1 of the hardest working captains to look at as their example. Hyman would have been perfect for that, to see an example every shift about how to compete hard. He tore his ACL and put a brace on it and played thru in in the playoffs, u never let a guy like that go.
But..but they were so close to playing Florida and losing in 5 ! If only Samsonov hadnt let in 3 easy goals per game.I remember that Caps run differently. Some examples:
Trotz on Ovi
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Capitals' Trotz on Ovechkin: 'There was some bad advice given to Ovi at times'
Alex Ovechkin is playing some of the best hockey of his career under the guidance of Washington Capitals head coach Barry Trotz.Ovechkin is in the hunt for his fifth Rocket Richard trophy and scoring at a point-per-game pace with Trotz behind the bench, but he has also improved his defensive...www.thescore.com
Ovi on how to win in playoffs
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Ovi, Backstrom, Oshie, Kuznetsov, Carlson, Niskanen, Eller, etc.... Heck even Devante Smith-Pelly was griding the other teams on the 4th line he had what like 5+ goals? thats total team buy in and one for all and all for one outlook.
Caps didn't have one player that played like a soft creampuff in that run.
My opinion:
Winning and losing is part of any sporting event. I get it. Its not that Leafs have lost, its the way they lose all the time - especially when their high AAV player(s) do not go into difficult areas for offensive opportunity, board battles, puck battles, playing body etc... Mitch Marner is the #1 culprit of this (Tavares is #2 and quite frankly just too slow and not productive enough for his cap hit); and at Marner's cap hit his play is just not acceptable. If Marner was 6 to 7 AAV one could still stomach his play although I'd still be pissed but at 11 AAV and potentially 12+ AAV in future, there is no way Leafs will be able to make any sufficient and/or significant progress in the playoffs.
Two plays both against the bruins:
1-> Regular season: Marner has empty net but doesn'tn shoot because he is afraid he will get hit; goes around the net and falls like a moron while taking a nothing shot after the fact from the perimeter
2.-> Playoffs: Game 7 -> Swayman gives up a puck behind the net; all marner had to do was stop and go backhand wraparound for a chance, he didn't do it why? afraid of getting hit as boston usually clears the crease with heavy hockey.
3. In the playoffs, every board battle and 50-50 puck Marner lost like a moron or didn't engage in fear of getting hit. thats not the kind of playoff hockey you can win with.
If marner was doing all of the above and Leafs still lost nobody would be this pissed off as they did all they could to win and "bounces" just didn't go their way. BUT THIS IS NOT TRUE! Leafs didn't do all they could to win and they sucked on special teams especially 4% on PP I mean wtf is all that about? Florida is making Boston's PK a roadkill.
Leafs desperately need a change in personnel and hockey philosophy if they want to win the cup
Do we really want Tavares in a management position? I don't.I dont think him retiring and going upstairs reflects on Toronto anymore than when Neely went upstairs and won a cup. Upon reflection, if offered assistant GM, Tavares may realize that he is passed his peak but not finished with hockey. The truth is , since Tavares is from Toronto he may see leaving as better than hanging on. Fans will howl at the moon if he gets 50 pts next year and Shanahan will never survive. I think its Shanahans last kick at the can and he has been told let Tre do what he has to do. Tre will talk to Tavares and I bet all options will be discussed.
Assistant GM ? Yeah. He is 10 times better than Dumbad and has been in the trenches.Do we really want Tavares in a management position? I don't.
Our mistake was thinking our assistant GM to Lou was ready.Assistant GM ? Yeah. He is 10 times better than Dumbad and has been in the trenches.
The odd thing is Shanny was a power forward himself. You'd think he would know a guy like Hyman would be good for reg and playoffs. Hyman is racking up the goals because they are using him with McDavid and gang to be a good scoring option around the net while McDavid/Dry zoom around and shoot from anywhere. They know Hyman will standing in front of the net. Leafs didnt use him that way. He got pushed out as they preferred JT to be that guy. Problem is Hyman is a but younger and seems way fresher and mobile than JT even though he's only 2 years younger than JT.
Leafs shot themselves in the foot because Hyman's contract is only $5.5M/year on Oilers. Looks at all the trash the team has signed over the years as temporary plugs at about that price. Crazy.
Some reason they played hardball with him on contracts, so Hyman bolted. He probably would had stayed if he got the same money. Then again, I dont know. Maybe he wanted out no matter what. But Leafs radio said Shanahan/Dubas didnt want to offer him a NMC like other players so Hyman left.
Sid's stirring the social media pot
every team in the history of pro sports is like that. Including all the championship teas And what are you actually suggesting anyway? Seize the wealth of certain players and redistribute it? For the good of the commune? And what do we do with that pesky problem that all players are not equally talented or hard working? Should Matthews score less goals for the sake of "unity" whatever that is supposed to even mean? One of the reporters actually asked about this creepy stuff. Whether they could have unity when some of the players make more money. He sounded young. But the growing talk like this is getting a bit scary.There is no unity when your team is built on the premise of the haves and have nots.
Agreed. I was more concerned about them telling Tavares he would not be playing this year, or something like that. My memory isn’t great. Or maybe I totally messed up with what was said.I dont think him retiring and going upstairs reflects on Toronto anymore than when Neely went upstairs and won a cup. Upon reflection, if offered assistant GM, Tavares may realize that he is passed his peak but not finished with hockey. The truth is , since Tavares is from Toronto he may see leaving as better than hanging on. Fans will howl at the moon if he gets 50 pts next year and Shanahan will never survive. I think its Shanahans last kick at the can and he has been told let Tre do what he has to do. Tre will talk to Tavares and I bet all options will be discussed.
To me, it's not just about the money. But simply team focus on players.There is no unity when your team is built on the premise of the haves and have nots.
Keefe NEVER had a clue as to how to score goals the way you have to in the playoffs. Even provided guys like Bertuzzi and McMann who mostly score via screens as their bread and butter, his strategy involving them was light years away from what Florida is doing.Watching Florida light up Swayman is so frustrating. Even the most delusional Leaf fans who think we keep getting “goalied” year after year should find it hard to defend this team anymore.
Check them out under Babcock; they didn't look like this in the other two Boston series.Really? Bc I don’t think the right voice will be able to get the top guys scoring in the playoffs.
Or the top guys to charge into board battles and win.
Or create room when there is absolutely no room in the ozone
There was an episode of Star Trek: TNG where a xenophobic alien had the power to erase memories.Unfortunately the Leafs aren’t boldly going. They are more Lost in Space.
I also think Kuznetsov stepping up to offset Malkin was huge. Ovi and Backstrom together wasn't enough.I remember that Caps run differently. Some examples:
Trotz on Ovi
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Capitals' Trotz on Ovechkin: 'There was some bad advice given to Ovi at times'
Alex Ovechkin is playing some of the best hockey of his career under the guidance of Washington Capitals head coach Barry Trotz.Ovechkin is in the hunt for his fifth Rocket Richard trophy and scoring at a point-per-game pace with Trotz behind the bench, but he has also improved his defensive...www.thescore.com
Ovi on how to win in playoffs
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Ovi, Backstrom, Oshie, Kuznetsov, Carlson, Niskanen, Eller, etc.... Heck even Devante Smith-Pelly was griding the other teams on the 4th line he had what like 5+ goals? thats total team buy in and one for all and all for one outlook.
Caps didn't have one player that played like a soft creampuff in that run.
My opinion:
Winning and losing is part of any sporting event. I get it. Its not that Leafs have lost, its the way they lose all the time - especially when their high AAV player(s) do not go into difficult areas for offensive opportunity, board battles, puck battles, playing body etc... Mitch Marner is the #1 culprit of this (Tavares is #2 and quite frankly just too slow and not productive enough for his cap hit); and at Marner's cap hit his play is just not acceptable. If Marner was 6 to 7 AAV one could still stomach his play although I'd still be pissed but at 11 AAV and potentially 12+ AAV in future, there is no way Leafs will be able to make any sufficient and/or significant progress in the playoffs.
Two plays both against the bruins:
1-> Regular season: Marner has empty net but doesn'tn shoot because he is afraid he will get hit; goes around the net and falls like a moron while taking a nothing shot after the fact from the perimeter
2.-> Playoffs: Game 7 -> Swayman gives up a puck behind the net; all marner had to do was stop and go backhand wraparound for a chance, he didn't do it why? afraid of getting hit as boston usually clears the crease with heavy hockey.
3. In the playoffs, every board battle and 50-50 puck Marner lost like a moron or didn't engage in fear of getting hit. thats not the kind of playoff hockey you can win with.
If marner was doing all of the above and Leafs still lost nobody would be this pissed off as they did all they could to win and "bounces" just didn't go their way. BUT THIS IS NOT TRUE! Leafs didn't do all they could to win and they sucked on special teams especially 4% on PP I mean wtf is all that about? Florida is making Boston's PK a roadkill.
Leafs desperately need a change in personnel and hockey philosophy if they want to win the cup
That’s bc they were young and innocent, lol.Check them out under Babcock; they didn't look like this in the other two Boston series.
Assistant GM ? Yeah. He is 10 times better than Dumbad and has been in the trenches.
Or our top guys can score some goals.To me, it's not just about the money. But simply team focus on players.
Oilers have had the awesome combo of McDavid and Draisaitl for years. Theyve made it to the semis once and got smoked. The team focuses so much on scoring, at the expense of defence and goaltending they are basically the same as the Leafs except they got enough scoring to make it farther.
In sports, it seems the championship team usually has a good mix of scoring and defence (and when it comes to hockey and baseball, that includes goaltending and pitching).
It's not that often a team wins based on awesome scoring and dogshit defence, or vice versa. There's going to be a good mix.
If Leafs core 4 was lets say 2 good forwards, 1 good Dman and 1 stud goalie it would be totally different. But they some reason stacked on 4 forward, and then roll the dice plugging in a revolving door of second rate F, D, G hoping they play like all stars in the playoffs to put them over the edge.
If anyone wants to add Rielly as core 5 since he costs a lot too at a huge contract, that's fine too. Another player who is offence focused. So you got 5 big contracts for 5 scoring focused players. And no money left for bonafide D or G to hold the backend.