I like Ellis as an option and it makes sense due to him needing a raise soon and Nashville having Fabbro, but Carrick+Bracco doesn't even return Ellis' beard.
Line Combos: Leafs Lines Going Into Next Season (2018-2019)
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Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
Johnsson-XXX-Brown
XXX-Aaltonen/Lindholm-Kapanen
Rielly-XXX
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Borgman/Rosen-Carrick/Ozhiganov
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1) We sell off Gardiner this summer before he enters his final year on his current contract
2) We sign or trade for a top 4 RHD
3) We sign or trade for a 3rd line C (maybe even Bozak re-signed, though I think we'd prefer a more defensive oriented player)
4) We sell high on McBackup (not that he'd have a ton of value, but probably still get a mid/late rounder)
5) We generally seem to have signed a lot of depth up front, so I expect we'll add some guy in free agency to compete for the 4th line. Quite possibly we'd do the same on the bottom pairing for D, though we do have four guys fighting for spots as it is.
I think Liljegren + Grundstrom + Engvall + etc are on the Marlies.
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
Johnsson-XXX-Brown
XXX-Aaltonen/Lindholm-Kapanen
Rielly-XXX
Dermott-Zaitsev
Borgman/Rosen-Carrick/Ozhiganov
Anderson
Sparks
Assumes:
1) We sell off Gardiner this summer before he enters his final year on his current contract
2) We sign or trade for a top 4 RHD
3) We sign or trade for a 3rd line C (maybe even Bozak re-signed, though I think we'd prefer a more defensive oriented player)
4) We sell high on McBackup (not that he'd have a ton of value, but probably still get a mid/late rounder)
5) We generally seem to have signed a lot of depth up front, so I expect we'll add some guy in free agency to compete for the 4th line. Quite possibly we'd do the same on the bottom pairing for D, though we do have four guys fighting for spots as it is.
I think Liljegren + Grundstrom + Engvall + etc are on the Marlies.
Nylander88
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Neal would be a great add. Just not sure how the $$$ situation would look with Marner and Matthews due/kicking in after this coming season. Would be nice though.
Don't know how true that would be. I like Ellis but I wouldn't pay the moon for him. Carrick is still young, cheaper and brings a bit of everything and Bracco is a legit good prospect. Saves them some cap as well which holds some value as well. If an add is required it can't be much more. Ellis isn't some dominant force. He is good and reliable.
So when you say "defensive" you literally mean you want guys that do everything except score points. Good to know.
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Ellis sure if you can do it, otherwise why do people want to pay BIG cap in an area where we are already strongest? Might as well sign another #1 goalie while we're at it.
It makes sense for the preds to be moving Subban since him leaving would allow them to resign Ellis and thier other D-men when their current contracts end. Subban has a massive cap hit however and I think we would have to deal Gardiner to make it work. I also don't think the Preds would be looking for the moon for Subban either because they don't really have much leverage.
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So what is "defensive" to you then? If you're a defensive defenceman you're a useless ogre that doesnt know how to transition or pass or skate? You just slap the puck off the boards and hit people??? My mistake. I didnt realize. I would never want a stay at home D on my team then! I retract asking for a couple. I thought part of playing defense was being good at keeping the puck away from your own net. Points are a bonus from your backend, not a priority (teams have 12 forwards last i checked). Keep the puck out of our own end. Dont allow the most shots in the league year after year. Didn't realize i was asking for so much :/ clearly us allowing more shots that 95% of the league year after year is a great strategy, we shouldn't make any changes
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Why are you pencilling the players with the worst faceoff percentages on our team to play the PK?
Because Zach and Uncle Leo were our primary PK FO guys? I don't think it makes a ton of difference. We don't exactly have a defensive stalwart at C. Looking at my lineup though, there is room for us to bring back uncle Leo if he wants to play 4C/W role.
I’m pretty sure babs didn’t want subban for the Olympics. And that’s when the whole left /right handed D started.
I would take him though for sure.
I would take him though for sure.
What I want more than anything for this team, lets be real about Tavares, with Barzal it aint happening.
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Kapanen-Kadri-Marleau
Hyman-Backlund-Brown
Johnson-Aaltonen-Leivo
Reilly-Carlson
Gardiner-Hainsey
Dermott-Zaitsev
Marner-Mathews-Nylander
Kapanen-Kadri-Marleau
Hyman-Backlund-Brown
Johnson-Aaltonen-Leivo
Reilly-Carlson
Gardiner-Hainsey
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You don't trade Bracco period. He has more skill in his left pinky than Ellis has in his entire body. Another Ellis type player is NOT what Leafs need. We have those kinda dmen maybe not as good but we have that type. We need 2 big bodies who can skate and play mean defensively.
In 3 years Marner Matthews and Bracco will be the core of the forwards. Nylander will get traded as part of a package for a great defensive dmen who is young. By the way Bracco plays amazing with Matthews. When you eventually see you too will be shocked. I also think Marner who is Bracco 2.0 would do close to same thing. Both those kids have outrageous skill. Bracco a little smaller version. He will take a little more time.
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Given what you are talking about, it would seem that Marner will be more expendable than Nylander, especially should Nylander be a success at center going forwards. Adding the possibilities of Brooks (who was more a success on the wing than at center), Engvall etc. the team in future is more in need down the middle, and with Marner's breakout this year he may be more likely to be able to be traded for a young top line center without creating a hole if Bracco can step in and take his place. We don't have a potential 70pt center to take the place of a Nylander at center coming up the pike, do we?
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marner is bracco 2.0????
some of the things i have to read on this board...
some of the things i have to read on this board...
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Nylander is not a 70 pt center. He will if he is a center be playing 3rd line center. I however do not see him as a center as he lacks the ability and desire to play in the dirty areas of the ice something centers must do to play in the NHL.
You simply do not trade Marner as he is a franchise player if you are moving anyone of our young players it is Nylander.
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Well they are comparable as they are both hockey players you know!marner is bracco 2.0????
some of the things i have to read on this board...
One is a franchise player in the NHL and the other currently is not a franchise player in the AHL.
So yes very much the same.
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I interpreted it as Marner is 2 X Bracco.
Makes no sense otherwise.
Bracco would be going into year 3 of his NHL career if he was better than Marner, rather than sitting on the sidelines watching the AHL playoffs.
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You do trade him if you are getting back a franchise defenceman. I didn't day Nylander is a 70pt. center, but he could be. And if he does and Bracco becomes a player who can accomplish 75% of what Marner does (which is also possible and also likely at a fraction of the cap cost) then the team should take a hard look at what its needs are and how to solve them. If its best for the team, then you pull the trigger and make the deal.
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I'm looking forward to seeing Bracco having a bigger role next year for the Marlies. His first season wasn't too bad but he was lower in the lineup due to the depth right? I'm sure he's learned a lot and there's no denying that he's another very skilled forward for a side we're weak on if Nylander goes to center. He and Engvall should tear up the AHL next season.
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He played mostly on the 4th line and had his defensive game worked on. However, every time he was promoted his playmaking came to the fore, and more than once Keefe commented that it was 'elite'. Since the team is shedding a bunch of forwards both going UFA or being promoted, he should get a chance next year to pull a Johnsson like progression and as long as he has finishers on his line, should do at least as well as Brooks did when he was promoted to play with Smith and Mueller (PPG).
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