Leafs: 2nd in height, 10th in weight, 4th youngest team in NHL

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Grant

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This "4th youngest team in the league' is a misconception, if you look at our players were mostly in our prime

JVR (23,young))-Bozak(27)-Kessel(26)
Lupul(31)-Kadri(23)-Raymond(27)
Kulemin(27)-Bolland(27)-Clarkson(29)
Mclaren(26)-Mcclement(30)-Orr(32)

Phaneuf(28)-Gunnar(27)
Gardiner(23)-Franson(26)
Fraser(27)-Ranger(29)

If you consider the prime years to be 27-32, then everyone except Kadri/JVR/Gardiner are in their primes, so realisticly speaking looking at our roster we have about a 5-7 year peak window before fading again (unless we add younger pieces along the way).

If 4th youngest is mostly in prime, then almost everyone else must be completely in their prime or past their prime. Good position for us, no?
 

Eb

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This "4th youngest team in the league' is a misconception, if you look at our players were mostly in our prime

JVR (23,young))-Bozak(27)-Kessel(26)
Lupul(31)-Kadri(23)-Raymond(27)
Kulemin(27)-Bolland(27)-Clarkson(29)
Mclaren(26)-Mcclement(30)-Orr(32)

Phaneuf(28)-Gunnar(27)
Gardiner(23)-Franson(26)
Fraser(27)-Ranger(29)

If you consider the prime years to be 27-32, then everyone except Kadri/JVR/Gardiner are in their primes, so realisticly speaking looking at our roster we have about a 5-7 year peak window before fading again (unless we add younger pieces along the way).

All in comparison my friend. Using your logic all the teams have a smaller window than us (except three).
 

FlareKnight

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I've always had a hard time envisioning Kessel and Sundin playing together; I just don't think they'd have the chemistry. Sundin was best cycling down low. That's not Phil's game.

JVR though? Prime Sundin and JVR together would be unfair to the rest of the league. Too good around and behind the net.
Maybe, but we're talking about Mats. He usually found a way to make it work with whoever they put with him. If he can be successful with guys like Hoglund I think he and Kessel could make things work. Sundin could do the cycling all by himself so Kessel would just have to wait in a good spot for the pass in order to snipe it in :laugh:.

Though at the very least Sudnin and JVR would be a pretty solid duo.

We can do some scouting at the alumni game. Sundin might just have a bit left in the tank ;).
 

zeke

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Mar 14, 2005
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This "4th youngest team in the league' is a misconception, if you look at our players were mostly in our prime

JVR (23,young))-Bozak(27)-Kessel(26)
Lupul(31)-Kadri(23)-Raymond(27)
Kulemin(27)-Bolland(27)-Clarkson(29)
Mclaren(26)-Mcclement(30)-Orr(32)

Phaneuf(28)-Gunnar(27)
Gardiner(23)-Franson(26)
Fraser(27)-Ranger(29)

If you consider the prime years to be 27-32, then everyone except Kadri/JVR/Gardiner are in their primes, so realisticly speaking looking at our roster we have about a 5-7 year peak window before fading again (unless we add younger pieces along the way).

can't you even follow your own rules?

if "prime years are 27-32", like you say, then all of Kessell, Kadri, JVR, Gardiner, Franson, Rielly, Bernier, and Reimer have yet to enter their primes. That is over 1/3 of the team, all core young talent, that has yet to enter their "primes", according to you.

and then, of course, accoring to your rules, all of Bozak, Raymond, Kulemin, Bolland, Gunnar, and Fraser are just starting the first year of their "primes" this year.

So according to your rules, that's 2/3 of the team that hasn't entered their prime until the first two games of this season.

And then, of course, the remaning 1/3 of the team, according to your rules, is all in their primes right now, without even one player past his prime.

An extremely young team, like you've shown us.

and of course, the truth is that the team's "average age" actually is misleading in the opposite direction - because most of our oldest players are bottom of the roster players - McClement, Orr, Bodie, Ranger, Fraser - all bringing the average age of the team up.
 

wulfio*

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I've always had a hard time envisioning Kessel and Sundin playing together; I just don't think they'd have the chemistry. Sundin was best cycling down low. That's not Phil's game.

JVR though? Prime Sundin and JVR together would be unfair to the rest of the league. Too good around and behind the net.

mogilny was a sniper. he didn't cycle much. he played a perimeter game. sundin/mogilny did pretty good together.

for a good cycle game all you really need is 2 strong guys and someone that knows how to play off the puck and get in to the open lanes. Kessel is capable of doing that. He would get a lot more primo scoring chances in my opinion. and with his speed and playmaking ability, would be able to set up sundin pretty nicely whenever he was trailing.
 

glucker

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Maybe, but we're talking about Mats. He usually found a way to make it work with whoever they put with him. If he can be successful with guys like Hoglund I think he and Kessel could make things work. Sundin could do the cycling all by himself so Kessel would just have to wait in a good spot for the pass in order to snipe it in :laugh:.

Though at the very least Sudnin and JVR would be a pretty solid duo.

We can do some scouting at the alumni game. Sundin might just have a bit left in the tank ;).

Well, Sundin was a speedster, he was only doing the cycle because that's the game his wingers were suited for... and he could play whatever style he wanted.:laugh:

*******, in-his-prime Sundin with 2 of Lupul/Kessel/JVR would've been a sight to see.:cry:
 

Primary Assist

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Basically Sundin > Gretzky, and a line of JVR- Mats - Phil would probably put up around 900 points. 1000 if the refs gave us enough PP time.
 

CellarDweller0

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Feb 19, 2010
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This "4th youngest team in the league' is a misconception, if you look at our players were mostly in our prime

JVR (23,young))-Bozak(27)-Kessel(26)
Lupul(31)-Kadri(23)-Raymond(27)
Kulemin(27)-Bolland(27)-Clarkson(29)
Mclaren(26)-Mcclement(30)-Orr(32)

Phaneuf(28)-Gunnar(27)
Gardiner(23)-Franson(26)
Fraser(27)-Ranger(29)

If you consider the prime years to be 27-32, then everyone except Kadri/JVR/Gardiner are in their primes, so realisticly speaking looking at our roster we have about a 5-7 year peak window before fading again (unless we add younger pieces along the way).

How does that change anything and become a misconception? That's like saying someone is only a little bit pregnant. LoL
 

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