LD Andong "Misha" Song - Madison Capitols, USHL (2015, 173rd, NYI)

[Coaches Coroner]

as is the case for 90% of that draft and all drafts

Your percentage is a bit high.

 

[Thebesthockey]

Your percentage is a bit high.

granted maybe 85%

 

[Mikos87]

Th Isles have a strong presence known China.

A lot of this has to do with their former owner.

They did a ton of work growing the game over there.

Say what you will, anyone that tries to grow the game of hockey deserves some praise.

 

[93LEAFS]

Th Isles have a strong presence known China.

A lot of this has to do with their former owner.

They did a ton of work growing the game over there.

Say what you will, anyone that tries to grow the game of hockey deserves some praise.

Growing the game fine. Making a mockery of the draft for marketing purposes, no, they deserve to be made fun of.

 

[Mikos87]

Growing the game fine. Making a mockery of the draft for marketing purposes, no, they deserve to be made fun of.

Many picks bust. Teams get to do what they want.

The Isles are infamous for questionable decisions throughout the years, and are well within their prerogative to do so.

 

[space321]

Not sure why so many people are upset that the Isles "wasted" a 6th round pick...

 

[Phion Keneuf]

0 points in 37 USHL games

stud

 

[hardkorejackets]

I'm not an Islanders fan, but I would think there's better ways to go about growing the game/marketing in China rather than making him a 6th round pick in the draft if there's other players that your scouts have ranked higher.. Invite the prospect to your development camps.

Different scenario- The Columbus Blue Jackets were in a situation where 2 Columbus, Ohio prospects escaped their reach in the 2015 draft as they tried to trade up. They wanted the feel good story of a couple good prospects and to help grow the game locally of course to younger kids. One was selected in the first round by Winnipeg (Jack Roslovic). The other one- Kole Sherwood

What the Jackets did-
Used 6th round pick to select Vladislav Gavrikov- 21 year old Defensive D-man from KHL that plays 18 minutes a game as a defender the last 2 seasons. Looks like a decent pick/prospect that might come to North America next season with some hope of maybe playing an NHL game

7th round pick- Markus Nutivaara- Was an overager out of Finland who came out of nowhere to have a good playoffs in Liiga play at the time. Literally, 1.5 years later and he is a #6 D-man with the Jackets with 50 games played in the NHL.

They decided to invite Kole Sherwood to their development camp. He actually earned an entry level contract deal there with his play. He decided to forego his college hockey commitment, signed with the London Knights. This season as a 19/20 year old with Flint- He has 67 points in 48 games, +16.

There's better ways of handling it. I side with trusting your scouts, make the best pick and see if you can get a NHL'er out of the deal.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Growing the game fine. Making a mockery of the draft for marketing purposes, no, they deserve to be made fun of.

Do teams make a mockery of the draft when they've included picks in trades in order to acquire something of value that wasn't necessarily a drafted prospect?

Whether that has been straight up cash when it was allowed, whether it has been attaching a pick with a bad contract to get out of that contract, or whether it has been in exchange for a rental who'll only be on the team for the playoffs?

The Islanders "sold" a 6th round pick for x amount of dollars worth of marketing value in China. How much would the equivalent amount of marketing exposure cost them to accomplish in China if they paid for it? How is this any more of a mockery than attaching a pick to a bad contract to clear money? A pick is an asset, they used it to gain something.

 

[boredmale]

The only beef I would have with the pick as an Islanders fan is they had a 7th round pick so why use a 6th rounder on him. At worst why not just trade that 6th rounder for 2 7th rounders

 

[LordNeverLose]

The only beef I would have with the pick as an Islanders fan is they had a 7th round pick so why use a 6th rounder on him. At worst why not just trade that 6th rounder for 2 7th rounders

They had a 7th (used on Peter Hansson)

 

[boredmale]

They had a 7th (used on Peter Hansson)

I know they had a 7th rounder in 2015 so why not wait till then to pick Song. Either that or trade the 6th rounder for a 7th rounder in 15 and another 7th rounder in the next draft(2016) if they didn't really feel that strongly about the players available with the 6th round pick

 

[93LEAFS]

Do teams make a mockery of the draft when they've included picks in trades in order to acquire something of value that wasn't necessarily a drafted prospect?

Whether that has been straight up cash when it was allowed, whether it has been attaching a pick with a bad contract to get out of that contract, or whether it has been in exchange for a rental who'll only be on the team for the playoffs?

The Islanders "sold" a 6th round pick for x amount of dollars worth of marketing value in China. How much would the equivalent amount of marketing exposure cost them to accomplish in China if they paid for it? How is this any more of a mockery than attaching a pick to a bad contract to clear money? A pick is an asset, they used it to gain something.

There's a cap, trading a pick to dump a contract to pursue a player to improve your team on-ice is fine. Using a pick for marketing value is ridiculous and worthy of being mocked.

 

[Strait2thecup]

There's a cap, trading a pick to dump a contract to pursue a player to improve your team on-ice is fine. Using a pick for marketing value is ridiculous and worthy of being mocked.

I feel like you keep posting this and still nobody cares.. give it up bud

 

[Original Rob]

0 points in 37 USHL games

stud

Does he even actually play? You would think in 37 games he would get credited with at least a secondary assist at some point.

 

[LeafChief]

I love this thread.

 

[covfefe]

There's a cap, trading a pick to dump a contract to pursue a player to improve your team on-ice is fine. Using a pick for marketing value is ridiculous and worthy of being mocked.

Definitely worthy of being mocked, as are most things in life...but this is the same owner who:

- wanted to fire all of his scouts and rely on rankings
- wanted to put sumo wrestlers in goal
- insisted on signing Yashin and DiPietro to two of the verifiably worst contracts in NHL history
- wanted to give Peca a 10 year deal
etc

I don't think he cares about the consensus opinion and why should he with the path of his life? He is unconventional...using credit cards for startup capital he founded the second software company to ever surpass 1bn in sales. This kind of stuff happens when rich guys venture into new hobbies

 

[93LEAFS]

Definitely worthy of being mocked, as are most things in life...but this is the same owner who:

- wanted to fire all of his scouts and rely on rankings
- wanted to put sumo wrestlers in goal
- insisted on signing Yashin and DiPietro to two of the verifiably worst contracts in NHL history
- wanted to give Peca a 10 year deal
etc

I don't think he cares about the consensus opinion and why should he with the path of his life? He is unconventional...using credit cards for startup capital he founded the second software company to ever surpass 1bn in sales. This kind of stuff happens when rich guys venture into new hobbies

He's still no Vivek Ranadive. Trying to give NBA lifers advice to use a cherry picking strategy because it worked with his daughters 10 year old team.

But, it's been said this pick wasn't wang. That it was one of the two new guys who has connections in China. Although, I really wonder what one news story the day of the draft really did? Wouldn't it be better to gamble on a kid like Cliff Pu who is Canadian but ethnically Chinese? Hope you get a top 6 player that can be marketed. I know a Lin situation is unlikely, but its better than a kid who 2 years post draft is outclassed in the USHL.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

It's disappointing because unlike Jeremy Lin, Andong Song is such a classy and modest person, not some stuck up p****. He would do wonders for Chinese culture and expanding hockey if Song was a star.

 

[Original Rob]

It's disappointing because unlike Jeremy Lin, Andong Song is such a classy and modest person, not some stuck up p****. He would do wonders for Chinese culture and expanding hockey if Song was a star.

Good to hear that his incredible hockey success hasn't inflated his ego.

 

[NoMessi]

Would be nice if hed be good enough to keep the numbers down at the OG 2022.

 

[kabidjan18]

It's disappointing because unlike Jeremy Lin, Andong Song is such a classy and modest person, not some stuck up p****. He would do wonders for Chinese culture and expanding hockey if Song was a star.

Hey hey, not at all a Lin fan but that's a little unfair.

Good to hear that his incredible hockey success hasn't inflated his ego.

savage

 

[qwerty]

Why does this thread have so many posts for a 6th round pick who will probably never even see NHL ice. It's not like he suited up for a game as a gimmick or something. I think I remember reading that the success rate of a 6th round pick is around 8-9%. That's virtually nothing. This is not that big of a deal.

 

[covfefe]

Because the majority of 6th round picks are not the first players ever selected from (insert country here).

You can rest easy though, this thread will be DOA once it hits page 2.

 

[DriftEasy]

Just committed to Cornell University.