Confirmed Trade: [LAK/TOR] Jake Muzzin for 2019 1st round pick, Sean Durzi, and Carl Grundstrom

[JesusNPucks]

Good trade for both teams. I like it when that happens.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I looked at the standings any hiccups by leafs and kings did extremely well here since 1 st round pick not protected. All it takes is a 5 game losing streak and that pick might look very interesting. Just saying.

Sure. Like I said, it is one possibility. It would also take other teams to take advantage of any hiccups. It is unlikly, but possible. I hope the all the prospects work out for the Kings and they draft a good player with the pick. It was a good trade.

 

[Pyrophorus]

There still a slight possibility that leafs slip and don't even make the playoffs. That first round pick might be gold to the kings when this is all said and done. The races are so tight any slip it's gonna be Blake saying with 15th pick kings select....

If you want to be this negative why not go with the 1st and 2nd picks overall?

 

[Cotton]

He says that he can do it, apparently.

However, he never did it in his professional or junior career AFAIK. I don't think it is a great idea.

My guess is they will try Rielly at RHD first, and see from there.

Babcocks first year in Toronto he played Rielly on the right side for something like 75% of the season, he's can can play both sides.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Blake would have to be pretty stupid for that to be a dealbreaker. Like I said the odds of that pick winning a lottery is like 1 in 1000 at best(that assuming about a 3% chance of missing the playoffs, and then a 3% chance at the lotteries). If Blake wouldn't accept say an extra 5th as compensation to protect for the 1 in 1000 chance then he's an idiot. Unless Dubas wasn't offering that, in which case I said I would have made sure I protected that, if it cost me an extra 5th to do so.

Once Toronto officially clinches their playoff spot it's something we will not have to worry about.

 

[AndreRoy]

1. We outplayed TB is both games we've played this year.

LMAO. So when our goalie saves a game for us that we should have lost the Leafs outplayed us, but when the Leafs’ goalie saves a game for them that they should have lost they still outplayed us somehow because durr yay Toronto?

In both games the team that won was outplayed by the team that lost (with the exception of the goalies who stole the two games for their respective teams.) Only a complete delusional homer could watch those games and think his team was the better in both of them.

 

[nbwingsfan]

What does this mean for the Leafs cap space going forward?

From my understanding it was all but decided that Gardiner was gone as they needed every cent for Matthews/Marner/Kap?

Where is the extra $4M going to come from?

(Not trolling, actually curious. This was a very good trade for the Leafs value wise)

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Hope he meshs well with Rielly, could be a killer pairing in its own right

It has potential for sure. The Muzzin-Doughty, Mitchell-Voynov top four in 2014 was a big reason they won the Cup.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Have 2 generational centers and they cover up a lot of holes on your team. Those guys can win a series on their own. Nashville had Mike Fischer as their 2nd line center in that playoff run. Does that mean that your center core is "good" with RyJo and Fischer as your top 6 centers? I don't think so. Having a world class goalie, 2 #1 dmen, 2 #2 dmen, and a star winger helps cover the weak center core, but even that wasn't enough since they lost.

I was referring to Nashville's core of defenseman who included Subban, Josi and Ellis who was better on paper than Pittsburgh's defense due to their injuries.

 

[Osprey]

I know that. They face very similar quality of competition, Muzzin not being a liability and being capable of carrying a second pairing is a big reason for that. That helps Doughty.

Actually, they don't face similar quality of competition. I posted about that last week. Muzzin has been 4th in QoC among defensemen on the team this season. It's noticeably lower than his usual defense partner, Martinez. Are you carrying your pairing when you face lower quality competition? He did have noticeably higher QoC than his partners the two previous years, but he also played a lot worse. It seems like getting easier minutes this year has really benefited him (i.e. he's the one benefiting, not Doughty)

Your ES numbers are incorrect, he's a +27 at ES and a +30 5v5 over his career, and those numbers include that -21 in 16-17.

You're right. I shouldn't have called them his career numbers. I meant that those are his stats since 2014-15, his first regular season as a top-4 defenseman. He was a +18 and a +11 in his rookie and sophomore years in 2012-13 and 2013-14, respectively, both played on the 3rd pairing. You were right to correct me, but I don't think that those seasons are really relevant to discussion of whether he's a top-4 (let alone, top pairing) defenseman.

Muzzin managed to contribute to two Stanley Cup wins and close to 500GP

Muzzin contributed to only one Cup win.

 

[Leaf Fans]

LMAO. So when our goalie saves a game for us that we should have lost the Leafs outplayed us, but when the Leafs’ goalie saves a game for them that they should have lost they still outplayed us somehow because durr yay Toronto?

In both games the team that won was outplayed by the team that lost (with the exception of the goalies who stole the two games for their respective teams.) Only a complete delusional homer could watch those games and think his team was the better in both of them.

That is true. I can't really disagree with you there.

 

[The Great Weal]

I was referring to Nashville's core of defenseman who included Subban, Josi and Ellis who was better on paper than Pittsburgh's defense due to their injuries.

Didn't they also have Frederic Gaudreau as their #1 center? Lol.

Point is that 2 generational centers will cover up A LOT more holes than 2 franchise centers. Also your starter being well rested helps a lot too. Look at the Caps last year.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Once Toronto officially clinches their playoff spot it's something we will not have to worry about.

Yeah, it's extremely unlikely and never going to happen so not worth worrying about, but I can just imagine the fans and media if we continue on a slide and it's close at the end. In an age where protecting 1sts for lottery wins is the new normal it's annoying just in principle if we didn't do it. Probably moreso with the Kessel trade picks fiasco in the recent past

 

[CrosbyMalkin]

Leafs win this.

I don’t see how you figure that? This is a win win trade. The asking price was a 1st and a prospect and they got what they wanted. So how is this a loss for the Kings? Leafs paid a high price but it is not a rental so that’s good.

 

[The don godfather]

If you want to be this negative why not go with the 1st and 2nd picks overall?

I wouldn't go that extreme but this could be a 18 to 20 th overall pick. You can get some real gems in that position.

 

[PromisedLand]

We aren’t bare. Moore, Hollowell, Engvall, Rosen, Woll, Scott, Liljgren, Sandin. That’s not empty

don't forget Marner lite ->>> Bracco

 

[DougGilmour93]

Amazing trade for Toronto!
We trade a B level prospect in Grundstrom, a D level prospect in Durzi and a late 1st.
We get 1.5 years of Muzzin (two runs at the cup).
Sure he’s not a RHD, but he can play the right side.
Really solidifies our backend.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Didn't they also have Frederic Gauthier as their #1 center? Lol.

Point is that 2 generational centers will cover up A LOT more holes than 2 franchise centers. Also your starter being well rested helps a lot too. Look at the Caps last year.

Gauthier has never played in the Leafs top six. He's only played on the 4th line.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Good for you, your team is a SC contender

Wait, what year is it?

 

[Michoulicious]

What does this mean for the Leafs cap space going forward?

From my understanding it was all but decided that Gardiner was gone as they needed every cent for Matthews/Marner/Kap?

Where is the extra $4M going to come from?

(Not trolling, actually curious. This was a very good trade for the Leafs value wise)

The obvious answer is to dump Zaitsev contract, but easier said than done. Must be done ideally before his NTC kicks in in July.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

What does this mean for the Leafs cap space going forward?

From my understanding it was all but decided that Gardiner was gone as they needed every cent for Matthews/Marner/Kap?

Where is the extra $4M going to come from?

(Not trolling, actually curious. This was a very good trade for the Leafs value wise)

Many of us figured Gardiner was gone because he has not been great this season and will likely ask for 6 mil or so. I believe this trade all but guarantees Gardiner leaves.

And with that being said, gaining Muzzin makes losing a top 4 defender sting a little bit less this summer. This should also allow Dermott to move up, opening up a spot for Sandin or Liljegren.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

A lot of things i'm liking about this deal, LA turned Muzzin (a guy that LA took a flier on as a free agent) into three prospects which is fantastic asset management after helping us get a cup and his best years is behind him

Also, i'm happy that Muzzin will get a chance to show the Eastern Conference (ie the Hockey World) who he is, for he's pretty much a mystery to a lot of people just from how people react to his name on here, i can tell people are clueless

So he deserves it, it'll be good for him

LA wasn't going to re-sign him so to get those prospects is awesome

goodluck in TO Muzzzz!

 

[SlimCharles]

Wait, what year is it?

Assumed you were a Leafs fan, my bad.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yeah, it's extremely unlikely and never going to happen so not worth worrying about, but I can just imagine the fans and media if we continue on a slide and it's close at the end. In an age where protecting 1sts for lottery wins is the new normal it's annoying just in principle if we didn't do it. Probably moreso with the Kessel trade picks fiasco in the recent past

We need to forget about what happened with the Kessel trade. Yes it sucked that Toronto ended up trading away the 2nd overall pick in 2010 and that it became Tyler Seguin, however for Dubas to trade away their 1st round pick shows he's not afraid.

 

[Dache]

And it’s a much greater risk for the team who sells a guaranteed asset for possibilities.

What’s this “risk” for the kings you keep talking about like they got taken to the cleaners? Did they risk their playoff chances in the next two years? Hardly, did they increase they’re chances of higher picks for themselves? Absolutely. Did they get some prospects and a pick to do that? Yes. You do understand that every single NHL player and bust started as a pick or prospect right? I understand your need to ram this down all the “haters” throats, but you’re trying way to hard here. It’s a solid deal for both teams and I think you know that.