Eklund Rumor: Laine wanting to go to ANA or LAK (mod warning OP)

[Aurinko]

Over the past three years: Games - Goals - Assists - Points:
Hoffman: 233 - 87 - 98 - 185
Laine: 232 - 102 - 81 - 183

Over the past four years: Games - Goals - Assists - Points:
Hoffman: 307 - 113 - 133 - 246
Laine: 305 - 138 - 109 - 247

Not a huge difference between one-dimensional scorers.

Other way of looking at it:

2017-2018 Laine: 44g with 16:29 min TOI as a rookie.
2017-2018 Hoffman: 22g with 18:24 min TOI as a veteran.

Normalize those minutes to 1st line minutes to see that with this risk comes a possible reward.

 

[Dache]

Over the past three years: Games - Goals - Assists - Points:
Hoffman: 233 - 87 - 98 - 185
Laine: 232 - 102 - 81 - 183

Over the past four years: Games - Goals - Assists - Points:
Hoffman: 307 - 113 - 133 - 246
Laine: 305 - 138 - 109 - 247

Not a huge difference between one-dimensional scorers.

Ok, now talk about their ages, or do 22 year old RFAs that are coming up to their peak not mean anything more than 31 year old FA, with 1 30g season?

 

[awegrzyn]

Well that is insane

I played and watched him since he was 11 and I do know Laine from watching only. I have a pretty good understanding of both players.
Arthur could already score plenty of goals on your team.

Most of my posts are futuristic by HFB standards, but if you read them a year or few months later, you will realize I could be right.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I played and watched him since he was 11 and I do know Laine from watching only. I have a pretty good understanding of both players.
Arthur could already score plenty of goals on your team.

Most of my posts are futuristic by HFB standards, but if you read them a year or few months later, you will realize I could be right.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say most of the time you are wrong

 

[Backcheckmonster3]

It relates to your post in a way that the Kings have time to develope their youngsters and they have 2 guys who
have the projected role of Laine.
So there is no urgency to do a trade if the price is to high

Wow you are out to lunch.

 

[bsu]

There is so much delusion in this thread.

 

[Tripod]

2 years again, I wonder why that number was chosen?

Common sense that the last 2 years are more recent than years 3 and 4?

 

[BananaCat11]

If i was a GM, I would trade my entire team for Laine and be happy as can be. Shame on Winnipeg for treating this kid like he's some schmuck. He would have the keys to the city and be treated like a god in any other Canadian province. He is top 10 sniper. Arguably even maybe top 5. His highlight real is freaking nuts! These guys don't grow on tree's. They won't get anybody of equal value in return for him. They won't see another player of his caliber for a very long time. Management should have never butted heads with him. I blame them solely. It is a real shame. If I was Owner , I would fire the GM, coaches and staff and do whatever it takes to change Laine's mind to sign long term. The guy is a bonified superstar and exactly what a team like the Jets need. Without him they are not much. Jets fans will be sour grapes and soggy lettuce for the next 15 years if they let him walk away. I can understand him wanting to leave. Easy to want out when your team does not care about you.

Regardless of where he goes he will do amazing. Ducks and Kings would love him. Any team with competent staff would. Winnipeg Jets will be regretting not making this kid feel at home for the next 2 decades.

 

[duckpuck]

Although some Ducks fans have soured on Manson, I think he is important to the D core.

I’d do Rakell, top 5 protected 1st, and Jones for Laine.

What is your plan for expansion? One of Manson, Lindholm, Fowler or Shattenkirk will likely be exposed (and it won't be Lindholm or Fowler).

 

[Buffdog]

Over the past three years: Games - Goals - Assists - Points:
Hoffman: 233 - 87 - 98 - 185
Laine: 232 - 102 - 81 - 183

Over the past four years: Games - Goals - Assists - Points:
Hoffman: 307 - 113 - 133 - 246
Laine: 305 - 138 - 109 - 247

Not a huge difference between one-dimensional scorers.

OR (crazy idea)

You could compare Laines first 4 years as a pro with Hoffman's first four years as a pro. I don't recall laine's stint in the ECHL. Oh, and Hoffman had 4 GP in the NHL during his first 4 years as a pro. 0G, 0A, 0PT

 

[bsu]

What is your plan for expansion? One of Manson, Lindholm, Fowler or Shattenkirk will likely be exposed (and it won't be Lindholm or Fowler).

Shattenkirk.... that seems pretty obvious.

 

[Dache]

Common sense that the last 2 years are more recent than years 3 and 4?

So then why not just you last year? That’s more recent than 2 years ago?

 

[duckpuck]

Shattenkirk.... that seems pretty obvious.

Maybe its obvious to you. Its not obvious to me that the ducks would expose (and almost certainly lose) the RHD PP specialist they just signed (after looking for years) rather than the injury plagued (and arguably diminished) stay at home defensemen who has only one year left on his contract. Things could change, but right now it seems Manson is the odd man out unless the ducks look to do something bigger with Lindholm or Fowler.

 

[bsu]

Maybe its obvious to you. Its not obvious to me that the ducks would expose (and almost certainly lose) the RHD PP specialist they just signed (after looking for years) rather than the injury plagued (and arguably diminished) stay at home defensemen who has only one year left on his contract. Things could change, but right now it seems Manson is the odd man out unless the ducks look to do something bigger with Lindholm or Fowler.

There is zero chance they protect Shattenkirk over Manson. I would bet my house on it.

 

[lwvs84]

What is your plan for expansion? One of Manson, Lindholm, Fowler or Shattenkirk will likely be exposed (and it won't be Lindholm or Fowler).

I believe Shattenkirk's contract is structured for the expansion. He makes significantly more after it than before. My (all Ducks fans) guess is that Lindholm/Fowler/Manson will be protected, Shat will have a contract that Seattle won't be too tempted to take.

 

[Tripod]

So then why not just you last year? That’s more recent than 2 years ago?

Well we all know that outliers can happen in 1 season.

But sure, let's look at just this last year:

Hoffman had 29 goals
Laine had 28 goals

So yes, you can find a UFA who produces the same and costs 4 million this coming year.

Feel better?

 

[DavidBL]

Maybe its obvious to you. Its not obvious to me that the ducks would expose (and almost certainly lose) the RHD PP specialist they just signed (after looking for years) rather than the injury plagued (and arguably diminished) stay at home defensemen who has only one year left on his contract. Things could change, but right now it seems Manson is the odd man out unless the ducks look to do something bigger with Lindholm or Fowler.

Somehow I doubt the Org views Manson that way. That's a narrative here on HF. Shattenkirk is the oldest. I imagine that this year will be determine who gets protected and who doesn't. They could also go 4x4 if they feel the D are more important than the forward they might lose.

 

[Dache]

Well we all know that outliers can happen in 1 season.

But sure, let's look at just this last year:

Hoffman had 29 goals
Laine had 28 goals

So yes, you can find a UFA who produces the same and costs 4 million this coming year.

Feel better?

Ah so just goals count? Then I guess Sam Reinhart > Giroux? Or E Kane is > Couturier? Do you honestly believe that anyone can’t see you being biased here?

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Ah so
Just goals count? Do you honestly believe that anyone can’t see you being biased here?

I get where you are coming from but let's be honest-Laine's reputation is as a goal scorer. He's been good, not great in that area over the last couple of years while growing his overall game to the point where he's shown a bit pf physicality and decent attention to detail in his own zone. He's also a good playmaker. Nothing earth-shattering. I think a lot of teams question what Laine they would be getting? Is the 40 goal scorer in his second year who was looking to be a future Rocket contender or has he settled into a reliable top 30 point scorer who averages around 30 goals a season? A valuable player to be sure, but how much is that worth?

 

[Dache]

I get where you are coming from but let's be honest-Laine's reputation is as a goal scorer. He's been good, not great in that area over the last couple of years while growing his overall game to the point where he's shown a bit pf physicality and decent attention to detail in his own zone. He's also a good playmaker. Nothing earth-shattering. I think a lot of teams question what Laine they would be getting? Is the 40 goal scorer in his second year who was looking to be a future Rocket contender or has he settled into a reliable top 30 point scorer who averages around 30 goals a season? A valuable player to be sure, but how much is that worth?

I have no issue with the fact that teams and fans will question which Laine they’re getting, but let’s not pretend that saying he’s equal or lesser than a 31 year old with extreme noted locker room issues, who has one 30 goal season isn’t asinine.

 

[Heldig]

OR (crazy idea)

You could compare Laines first 4 years as a pro with Hoffman's first four years as a pro. I don't recall laine's stint in the ECHL. Oh, and Hoffman had 4 GP in the NHL during his first 4 years as a pro. 0G, 0A, 0PTView attachment 383354

St Louis got a steal of a deal in landing Hoffman on that contract.

 

[Dache]

St Louis got a steal of a deal in landing Hoffman on that contract.

Also this. Pre COVID Hoffman was in line for a medium length 7m deal at least

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's just a rough spot anyway, because if you're trading for Laine, you're trading for what you think he can be, which means you have to give full value. Kings sure aren't ready to do that. I'd guess Ducks aren't either. And yet when you trade for that full value, you're also gambling on his concerns. It's a tricky trade to maneuver period, because the Jets shouldn't settle for anything less than full value, but I don't think any teams that are ready for a finisher like Laine can afford to trade the assets or have the cap.

Like I said earlier, I wouldn't be trading the Kings major parts--not because Laine isn't worth it, but because we don't know what we have yet anyway.

Kaliyev will be Martin Frk, comparing him to Laine is actual comedy.

Yes, we know, no Kings prospects are going to actually make an NHL impact. You say it in every thread. Does it ever get boring copying and pasting?

 

[Nickel eye Heel hers]

If there is one thing I've learned after reading 10,000 pages of Laine trade proposals is that every other teams fan thinks he sucks and should be given away for next to nothing. I don't understand how Laine has so many trade proposals.

 

[rubikscube]

If i was a GM, I would trade my entire team for Laine and be happy as can be. Shame on Winnipeg for treating this kid like he's some schmuck. He would have the keys to the city and be treated like a god in any other Canadian province. He is top 10 sniper. Arguably even maybe top 5. His highlight real is freaking nuts! These guys don't grow on tree's. They won't get anybody of equal value in return for him. They won't see another player of his caliber for a very long time. Management should have never butted heads with him. I blame them solely. It is a real shame. If I was Owner , I would fire the GM, coaches and staff and do whatever it takes to change Laine's mind to sign long term. The guy is a bonified superstar and exactly what a team like the Jets need. Without him they are not much. Jets fans will be sour grapes and soggy lettuce for the next 15 years if they let him walk away. I can understand him wanting to leave. Easy to want out when your team does not care about you.

Regardless of where he goes he will do amazing. Ducks and Kings would love him. Any team with competent staff would. Winnipeg Jets will be regretting not making this kid feel at home for the next 2 decades.

Absolute nonsense or elite level troll?