Proposal: Laf to Montreal

[Gardner McKay]

No thanks.

If he got any sort of PP1 time, he's easily finish the season with 30+ goals and 60+ points.

Although, I have to say, I appreciate the quality offer, even though it doesn't make sense for where we are as a team.

It's come a long way from Laf for the great one, Josh Gretzky Anderson and his extraordinary 8 goals.

 

[Weltschmerz]

No I wouldn't. Two reasons.

1) Slaf is trending higher than Laf right now
2) Our team has cap flexibility coming out of our ass and tons of money for Slaf when the time comes.

Decisions need to be made for the Rangers re: cap. Maybe Laf is not a decision they don't want to make, and they can create space somewhere else. That is fair.

Rangers have been working the cap since it was introduced, they will find a way, they are actually spending less against the cap than the habs this season.

 

[waitin425]

Rangers have been working the cap since it was introduced, they will find a way, they are actually spending less against the cap than the habs this season.

Shesty, Laf and Miller due for big raises in sumer of '25. They have some players dropping off and a cap that is rising. But, will it be enough to sign all three, plus other players to fill out the roster? How much do they give Kakko this summer? Lindgren? Do they re-sign Wennberg? Roslovic?

There is some cost controlled quality coming up (Othmann, McConnell-Barker, Sykora) I see that.

Will be interesting to follow moving forward how they manage.

I for one.....would keep Lafreniere if I was them. Which is obviously why as a Habs fan, I made this proposal to begin with.

 

[GrandmaCookie]

Just want to point out that currently Lafreniere has 69 goals and 69 career assists.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

2024 Jets 1st + the better of the Habs 2025 1st rounders (no protection) + Harris/Struble

I'm willing to roll the dice on the Habs 2025 picks being in the 10-15 range and not top 3....but with a couple of injuries who knows.

Harris and Struble are both young bottom pair guys, getting squeezed out by our D prospects.

Obviously Laf is rounding into form and could continue to take steps forward. This affords the Rangers some cap flexibility in 2025/26 when Laf's current contract is up. I suspect you guys will likely say no, and move off from some other contracts.

Laf's value is at an all-time high, after plummeting to some lows in years past. Kudos to the Rangers for hanging on to him, when he was looking like a bust.

So what do you get....
2024 1st (likely 18-24 range)
2025 1st (likely 10-15 range ***however no protection)
3rd pair depth defencemen who is cost controlled

LOL. Last summer habs fans said he wasnt worth a 1st, some said maybe not even a 2nd. Hes one of the best 5v5 players in the sport and hes only 22. He aint going nowhere. Hed instantly be your best player, no thanks.

If you want to be real, start with suzuki and go from there

 

[FloJack]

Just want to point out that currently Lafreniere has 69 goals and 69 career assists.

You've been on a roll lately!

 

[GrandmaCookie]

LOL. Last summer habs fans said he wasnt worth a 1st, some said maybe not even a 2nd. Hes one of the best 5v5 players in the sport and hes only 22. He aint going nowhere. Hed instantly be your best player, no thanks.

If you want to be real, start with suzuki and go from there

Lmao is you for real?

 

[waitin425]

LOL. Last summer habs fans said he wasnt worth a 1st, some said maybe not even a 2nd. Hes one of the best 5v5 players in the sport and hes only 22. He aint going nowhere. Hed instantly be your best player, no thanks.

If you want to be real, start with suzuki and go from there

Put down the pipe dude.

 

[sansabri]

LOL. Last summer habs fans said he wasnt worth a 1st, some said maybe not even a 2nd. Hes one of the best 5v5 players in the sport and hes only 22. He aint going nowhere. Hed instantly be your best player, no thanks.

If you want to be real, start with suzuki and go from there

suz + slaf + my first born?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Bern is the HF NYR official trade rep. If you can get Bern to agree to a deal then you have a deal.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Put down the pipe dude.

Youre gonna make the case suzuki is better than laff? Go ahead lay out the case.

Im taking laff all day.

 

[waitin425]

Youre gonna make the case suzuki is better than laff? Go ahead lay out the case.

Im taking laff all day.

I love it when posters make the bold declaration.....someone says you are wrong....than the original poster says.... prove it.

How about you prove your bold declaration. Apart from the obvious stats comparison....let's see what ya got!

 

[Cenzo_]

Youre gonna make the case suzuki is better than laff? Go ahead lay out the case.

Im taking laff all day.

Position: Suzuki:
Leadership: Suzuki
Goal scoring: Suzuki
Play making: Suzuki
200 ft game: Suzuki
PP: Suzuki
PK: Suzuki
Draft rank: Laf
Out to lunch: LaffyTaffy

 

[waitin425]

Position: Suzuki:
Leadership: Suzuki
Goal scoring: Suzuki
Play making: Suzuki
200 ft game: Suzuki
PP: Suzuki
PK: Suzuki
Draft rank: Laf
Out to lunch: LaffyTaffy

 

[Captain Mountain]

Please, I thought we were done with this.

Rangers are happy with him, and there's zero reason for Montreal to pay what he's actually cost.

These threads are shitshow whether its a Hab fan offering what the OP is or a Rangers fan asking for Caufield/Slafkovsky +.

 

[noncents]

Put down the pipe dude.

one gets the feeling that Habs fans only start these threads so they can pearl clutch when Rangers fans ask for huge value. It's just an opportunity for them to publically voice their support for their own players. Which, great! I'm glad they think Suzuki is all world..

The Rangers, however, aren't trying to build a team. They're trying to win a Cup.

Lafreniere is on literally the most productive 5v5 line in the league as a 22 year old - the only top flight 5v5 line on the team. He'd have 20 more points by years end on a PP with either of Fox or Bread, let alone both. He brings edge and swagger and is beloved in the room. He even has a goofy moustache.

So why, if you, a Habs fan, are so educated on the Rangers cap situation moving forward, would you choose to ignore the fact that Lafreniere is an absolutely essential piece to the openness of the team's competitive window? Can you name 3 players not under long term contract who the Rangers might feel are more important than 13? I can't.

This team context can't be news to you. Nor can it be unreasonable to you that such a players value to the team is greater than in a vacuum - in whatever video-game-ass flummery this thread represents. Lafrenieres value to this team is greater than his potential value to any other team. Why would they move him for anything less than the moon?

 

[waitin425]

one gets the feeling that Habs fans only start these threads so they can pearl clutch when Rangers fans ask for huge value. It's just an opportunity for them to publically voice their support for their own players. Which, great! I'm glad they think Suzuki is all world..

The Rangers, however, aren't trying to build a team. They're trying to win a Cup.

Lafreniere is on literally the most productive 5v5 line in the league as a 22 year old - the only top flight 5v5 line on the team. He'd have 20 more points by years end on a PP with either of Fox or Bread, let alone both. He brings edge and swagger and is beloved in the room. He even has a goofy moustache.

So why, if you, a Habs fan, are so educated on the Rangers cap situation moving forward, would you choose to ignore the fact that Lafreniere is an absolutely essential piece to the openness of the team's competitive window? Can you name 3 players not under long term contract who the Rangers might feel are more important than 13? I can't.

This team context can't be news to you. Nor can it be unreasonable to you that such a players value to the team is greater than in a vacuum - in whatever video-game-ass flummery this thread represents. Lafrenieres value to this team is greater than his potential value to any other team. Why would they move him for anything less than the moon?

I've tried to answer all your points that you have made. And agree....I would not move on from him if I was the Rangers. Which is why, I as a Habs fan, would want him. He is looking fantastic this year. My offer to some Habs fans is a massive overpay. To some Rangers fans its a massive underpay. It is an offer that has risk for both teams (that non conditional 2025 1st).

LaffyTaffy stated that Laf "would instantly be our best player" and is better than Suzuki.

Your argument above....and LaffyTaffy's statement are not exactly the same thing.

If you believe that Laf would instantly be our best player....you can also put down the pipe.

 

[DiglettDangles]

Ship = sailed.
Lafrenière is no longer available, and not anywhere near a rationalizable value anyways.
It didn't happen last summer, so it's not happening.

We can all go back to our busy lives until Bern drops his anticipated trilogy:
Laf + Z. Jones + Vesey + Goodrow + Trouba + 2027 6th
for
Everything everywhere all at once (except Gallagher)

 

[pth2]

To everyone saying the Rangers say no, did I misread the OP?

I thought I read the best 1st the Habs have next year with no protection on it? That's a wild ask and I like Lafreniere.

It comes down to how you analyze risk..... as a Habs fan, you're seeing the potential 1st overall pick. Rangers fans will see a possible tween pick as being more likely.

 

[Anardil]

This ship has long sailed with regards to obtaining Laffy. It is going to cost an amount that us Habs fans will not like now.

I applaud the Rags management for their patience with regards to Laffy's development. It has paid off... Now can we talk about Kakko?

 

[dukeofjive]

No thank you,habs are rebuilding and the rangers are trying to win it all.

Makes zero sense for either team

 

[Baksfamous112]

The time to acquire Laf was last draft. At this point I have to believe he’s out of reach now unless Rangers need cap space or can’t afford him? Anyway, he’s not going to be cheap.

kudos to identify selling LaF high to a Canada based team COULD make sense for Rs,
howev, above offer is not enuf

and to get enuf, it's gonna take a big package
sorry but am swamped and will not have time to post what I came up with until this w'e at earliest
Can say it will be extensive, help Habs in that it deals from position of depth doing so in a way that improves team short term while not gutting long term. Howev, it will require top $ for LaF, and that is not open to negotiation. As to Rs, it is a gamble, but one which has currency addressing immediate and upcoming needs to some extent, while adding further compensation that is a prudent risk.

til I can get to it



Fair assessment based on recent history, and we see everyone wants a bargain. Price of an asset is based on both immediate production, and projected production to start, and then the opportunity cost of if better to keep or deal, which is partly value but also currency involved.

Rs have zero reason to deal LaF until there is too much of a good deal on the table, full stop, period, end of story. It so happens that we have Othmann available now in case 'the Martians kidnapped LaF' with Gabe Per. 2ish yrs away from that. But we are not making him available to do anybody any favors; we require signif backscratch to our end.

Let's remember yours truly said IF as appeared reasonably plausible LaF overcame his skating issues being NHL subpar he would turn into another Steve Vickers.
We now see his just entering the middle of that area, with upside. Oil should break the bank just to see what he'd look like w/McD.
And of course, competitive bidding further ups the price.


It will take a package including Rein, about half dozen assets ish each side.

ok, not more clues...


I get the 2024 1st, there are workarounds so you can keep that.
But signif quality will be required for signif quality, and it is not a matter of equal value -- which lots of peeps here push. In reality it is if the return does/does not = or project to = enuf profit.

shout out for paying attention!
I'll post once I have a block of hours I can stay on top of responses.

Happy Easter in advance to all....

Reinbacher is off-limit. Barron could be included in a package though but there is no way Reinbacher is included. He’s untouchable

 

[Zynbanejad]

"Oh a French name! Let's get him on the Habs!!"

Y'all didn't want him when he was struggling. You're not getting him now.

 

[pth2]

This ship has long sailed with regards to obtaining Laffy. It is going to cost an amount that us Habs fans will not like now.

I applaud the Rags management for their patience with regards to Laffy's development. It has paid off... Now can we talk about Kakko?

With an expiring contract and a lack of a clear breakout season, he's already a more likely trade candidate.

Problem then is that Montreal won't want to move their own firsts for him. Maybe Winnipeg's ?

 

[lakeshirts37]

No