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Your level of satisfaction with Kyle Dubas' performance to date

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hockeywiz542

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This team now has the best, most-playoff-ready roster that the franchise has had in decades. The current grit-infused lineup has been building throughout the past few years, with additions like Mark Giordano, T.J. Brodie, Michael Bunting, David Kampf and others.

But Dubas truly hit a home run at the trade deadline in bringing in heart-and-soul types – Ryan O’Reilly, Luke Schenn, Jake McCabe and Noel Acciari – after previous misses when it came to in-season roster construction.

At some point amongst the postseason losses, he realized that he had enough skill and what his group of young superstars really needed was more steady hands at the wheel in order to win the type of one-goal playoff nailbiters that they pulled out in overtime of Game 6 against the battle-hardened Lightning.


They also needed some good fortune, which finally arrived in the form of three overtime wins in what was again an incredibly tight series.

“Kyle did an unbelievable job throughout the offseason and the trade deadline to put us in a position to succeed,” head coach Sheldon Keefe said, listing off some of the key additions that allowed them to succeed where they had previously failed. “And he probably more than anybody deserved to have this result because he’s believed in the group.”

The other key thing Dubas finally solved this season was finding a goaltender who wouldn’t wilt under the pressure in the postseason.


Few would have guessed that the answer would come in Ilya Samsonov, a first-round pick who flamed out in Washington to the extent he wasn’t given a qualifying offer last summer. But the young Russian was debatably the team’s MVP in this series, carrying his team when they were besieged by the Lightning’s relentless attack for long stretches and outplaying countryman Andrei Vasilevskiy, something no one predicted going in.

Dubas was largely vindicated in his belief in his stars in this series, too. Matthews and Mitch Marner are among the postseason scoring leaders, with Matthews producing five key goals in the six games and Marner adding 11 points while logging a ridiculous 23:29 minutes per game.

Morgan Rielly was maligned much of the season for his defensive play as he played through injuries, but he came up huge, scoring three key goals and adding five assists to emerge as one of the best defensemen in the NHL in Round 1, justifying the massive extension he signed in the fall of 2021.

Captain John Tavares, meanwhile, contributed not only a Game 2 hat trick but the series winner in Game 6, delivering in the clutch despite questions about his age and diminishing speed.

Perhaps the most encouraging thing in the aftermath of Saturday’s win was how all of the above Leafs players stepped forward and talked about how they hadn’t yet accomplished much.

Winning a round, after all, is only a quarter of the way to the ultimate goal.
 

sxvnert

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So so glad Dubas shut out all of the noise and stuck to the plan that he started with.
The plan he started with was icing a ballerina team for the regular season and playoffs. Refusing to beleive there was a difference between the two seasons.

Finally he listened to noise (probably Spezza) and changed his tune before the deadline:

O'Reilly
Acciari
Lafferty
Knies
McCabe
Schenn
 

Dekes For Days

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The plan he started with was icing a ballerina team for the regular season and playoffs.
Except that's never been true. Just a silly, inflammatory narrative that some people like to perpetuate for personal motives.
Dubas' deadline additions this year weren't different in style from past years (Muzzin, Giordano, Foligno, Clifford, Lyubushkin, etc.). League and team situations just allowed him to add more in quantity and quality than usual, and we're starting to see some of the fruits of Dubas' drafting and belief in a top-tier core.
 

Jimmy Firecracker

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One round win and we're ready to call him a success?

Finally getting the playoff success to go along with the consistent 100+ point team he's built is what does it. If we isolated the regular season results we'd think the GM was doing a bang up job, until of course our playoff futility was revealed. Now that the Leafs have finally gotten past the hurdle with the potential for more people should be more willing to welcome him back.

Imo the team as it is now is expertly run as far as drafting, free agent signings, trades, and cap maneuvering are concerned. Dubas' rebuilding of the goaltending department last summer has also paid immediate dividends with Samsonov going from a choker with Washington to a clutch performer here, not to mention Woll's play as well as Murray when he was healthy and able to get into a groove.

Sure not every signing or trade has worked out, but on average Dubas has more hits than misses.
 

DarkKnight

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I think it's more then just the series win. He's gone out and brought in the type of players you would want him to go out and get. O'Reilly, McCabe, Schenn and Acciari are the exact type of players that the leafs needed all along and he was finally able to get them. He flat out did better then Tampa this deadline, for sure. With some good cap management and negotiating, we could bring all of them back as well. So the price is worth the risks. I was for sure against Dubas early on, but he's really come through the last 12 months. Other then the Murray trade which I hated from day 1, he's hit on like 6 of his last 7 moves.
Exacrly, that‘s why I thought he should be back prior to this series.
 

thewave

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ECF or bust on the Dubas and Keefe question for me. Round 1 we were mostly outplayed and could be seen as luck. Round 2 win will settle that. ECF is ECF and is what this team makeup really should hit. Legit this team as is with talent should hit the ECF for sure.
 

LEAFANFORLIFE23

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Except that's never been true. Just a silly, inflammatory narrative that some people like to perpetuate for personal motives.
Dubas' deadline additions this year weren't different in style from past years (Muzzin, Giordano, Foligno, Clifford, Lyubushkin, etc.). League and team situations just allowed him to add more in quantity and quality than usual, and we're starting to see some of the fruits of Dubas' drafting and belief in a top-tier core.
Foligno, Clifford, and Lyubushkin, are very, very, NOT the same as ROR, Noel Acciari, Luke Schenn and Jake McCabe
 

ToneDog

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Foligno, Clifford, and Lyubushkin, are very, very, NOT the same as ROR, Noel Acciari, Luke Schenn and Jake McCabe
Once Muzzin went down this team was softer than the Pillsbury dough boy. Bunting who always turns down a fight was our toughest guy. Without the TDL additions, this team would be teeing off today. It only took 5 years of fans and media grumbling for Dubas to address it properly and even then I'd like to know what Shanny's role was.
 

Racer88

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The Kings haven't won a series in the last 9 years, shouldn't you be in there telling them all the GM/coach/players all suck and have no heart and they need to blow it up?
All this things are probably true. Lol
 

usernamezrhardtodo

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The plan he started with was icing a ballerina team for the regular season and playoffs. Refusing to beleive there was a difference between the two seasons.

Finally he listened to noise (probably Spezza) and changed his tune before the deadline:

O'Reilly
Acciari
Lafferty
Knies
McCabe
Schenn
He finally realized that the Dinosaur GM's that kept trading for bigger, grittier guys were right after all. He also realized you can't have passengers that don't contribute other than just being around the guys and being good influences (Marleau..Thornton) on the team (that is debatable in the case of those 2 guys) ...The regular season is way different...he realized that as well I think.

I think he is a smart guy who would handle the big 3 contracts much differently now that he knows how the sausage is made so to speak.
 
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Dekes For Days

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Foligno, Clifford, and Lyubushkin, are very, very, NOT the same as ROR, Noel Acciari, Luke Schenn and Jake McCabe
Muzzin was a physical, gritty, two-way defenseman that can be on your shutdown pair, like McCabe, only better and even more gritty and tough. He was brought in year 1.
Schenn and Lyubushkin are pretty much the same in terms of playstyle. Depth physical defensive defenseman. Schenn just ended up doing the job better.
We've acquired plenty of depth players like Acciari; ranging from better like Foligno to worse like Clifford or Simmonds. He's done well here, and he's a player this management group liked for a while, but he's not significantly different in playstyle from what we've gotten before.
We haven't had an O'Rielly before. If Foligno hadn't been injured after we acquired him, he would have been the closest, but the reason we haven't had an O'Rielly is more about an O'Rielly not being available, not the lack of us valuing that. Who is the past O'Rielly that we missed out on? He's a bit of a unicorn.

None of this is new, or a change in philosophy. It's the same style of acquisition - just better and more at once.
Lots of good players on expiring contracts or available this year, especially with the tank for Bedard.
More cap space than we've had in a while with the Muzzin injury and a masterful 2m replacement in McCabe.
A top tier team and a core in their primes, justifying greater asset expenditure.
It all came together for a really good deadline, and we're seeing the benefits now.
 

TheRumble

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Yup, as I predicted. Premature Ejaculeafion.
All due respect to you and the morons in this thread who are intent on holding a referendum now, but what do you want us to do? Wallow in our own self pity?

After every win this year, this group of absolute self loathing bums - hotpaws, Racer88, Bomber, etc. flooded post game threads with messages like "Regular season doesn't matter", "Beat a crap team", "Didn't win the right way", "3v3 isn't a thing in the post season, Win a Round"

Then of course after every loss - all 20 of them, same group of people were like "See, told you, this team is trash and should be blown up, front office fired."

I live downtown, the scene was rocking, a lot of weed was smoked, nobody thought they won the Cup, they were just happy to move on and everyone knows there's three more rounds.

If you can't enjoy the rest of the playoffs whether it be 4 more games or 21, shut the ever loving god damn hell up and wait until the off season before you start your doomerism talk.
 

Leaf Fans

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What am wrong about? Offering Dubas a contract after 1 series win?

You don't have to agree with me, but as fans our expectations are extremely low: 1 playoff series win. You build a team like this, draft, trade, etc. just so we can celebrate 1 series win?
Many fans wanted to re-sign him at the beginning of the year while keeping their hopes up for a Cup.

The plan he started with was icing a ballerina team for the regular season and playoffs. Refusing to beleive there was a difference between the two seasons.

Finally he listened to noise (probably Spezza) and changed his tune before the deadline:

O'Reilly
Acciari
Lafferty
Knies
McCabe
Schenn
He stuck to the process.
 

francis246

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Yup, as I predicted. Premature Ejaculeafion.

I don’t understand how one can still be so futile after overcoming a huge barrier. We all want the cup, but you got to celebrate the little victories along the way. It’s so hard to win the cup and hanging you’re entire fandom on winning the cup is going to leave you jaded.

I hope the leafs use this momentum to make a deep run and exercise the cup winning demons but damn , I’m not gonna shit on everyone’s parade.
 

Thornbury

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That's a good thing as he heads into a full-fledged cap hell or losing key players the next couple of years.
I don't think you get it. Yes, they will have one more challenging cap year in 2024-25, when Matthews and Nylander re-up. After that, Tavares' cap hit will plummet, providing all sorts of relief. And the cap should be about $4 million higher in 24-25.
 
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