WC: Kazakhstan 2022 roster talk

[Eye of Ra]

Kazakhstan have a new import. Swedish Jakob Lilja.

Väljer bort Tre Kronor – uttagen för Kazakstan

Det såg ut som att den tidigare Tre Kronor-spelaren Jakob Lilja valt bort spel för Sverige framöver. Men efter att 28-åringen uppassats rejält i samband med beslutet så har han tackat nej till spel för Kazakstan.

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[Eye of Ra]

2018-19	Djurgårdens IF	SHL	52	12	25	37	18	3	|	Playoffs	19	3	5	8	6	2
	Sweden (all)	International	7	2	1	3	0	-1	|
2019-20	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	37	2	3	5	2	5	|
	Cleveland Monsters	AHL	22	5	8	13	2	-1	|
2020-21	Barys Nur-Sultan	KHL	59	20	15	35	8	5	|	Playoffs	6	1	0	1	0	-2
2021-22	Barys Nur-Sultan	KHL	47	16	11	27	2	-6

Good player, this Lilja guy.

Mikhalis - Valk - Lilja
Dawes - Starchenko - Panyukov

Pretty good top 6.

 

[erikhamren]

Many swedes leaving the sinking ship i think

 

[Urbanskog]

Mikhalis - Valk - Lilja
Dawes - Starchenko - Panyukov

Pretty good top 6.

Is Dawes still an option?

 

[Eye of Ra]

Is Dawes still an option?

tbh i dont know. i hope so for the kazaks sake. he is still very good.

 

[peconcan]

Is Antropovs kid eligible or would he have to spend a few years playing there first?

 

[Lartsaman]

Is Antropovs kid eligible or would he have to spend a few years playing there first?

He was born in Canada, haven´t played in Kazakhstan. No he´s not eligible yet. He has to play two seasons in Kazakhstan first.

 

[FiLe]

Hold up on Lilja. He says he has no intention of switching jerseys. Apparently, the Kazakhs just added him to their camp roster without asking him first.

 

[Lartsaman]

Hold up on Lilja. He says he has no intention of switching jerseys. Apparently, the Kazakhs just added him to their camp roster without asking him first.

LOL what a circus.

 

[ozo]

These pesky Swedes... First Henrik Karlsson leaves the team camp on the eve of the last tournament, now Lilja stabs them in the back.

 

[Albatros]

With dual eligibility you're going to represent the stronger team that calls you up, that's how it goes.

 

[Eye of Ra]

These pesky Swedes... First Henrik Karlsson leaves the team camp on the eve of the last tournament, now Lilja stabs them in the back.

Also Viktor Svedberg switched to Kazaksthan: Viktor Svedberg at eliteprospects.com

 

[Eye of Ra]

With dual eligibility you're going to represent the stronger team that calls you up, that's how it goes.

Jakob Lilja is not called up by Sweden.

 

[FiLe]

There's something funny here with the whole Lilja debacle. I mean, the guy doesn't seem to have any other connection to Kazakhstan except having played for Barys for the last two seasons. And let's not forget that there's another requirement for dressing for a country than having played there for two seasons - being a citizen of said country. And you usually have to very consciuously apply for a citizenship.

So, if Lilja applied for a Kazakhstani citizenship, I honestly can't blame the Kazakhstani officials for assuming that he intends to play for them - because why else would he do that? Or did they also grant him the freakin' citizenship without asking him first? "Oh, hai, we have a surprise for you - here's your passport. Now come play for us, ok?"

 

[ozo]

There's something funny here with the whole Lilja debacle. I mean, the guy doesn't seem to have any other connection to Kazakhstan except having played for Barys for the last two seasons. And let's not forget that there's another requirement for dressing for a country than having played there for two seasons - being a citizen of said country. And you usually have to very consciuously apply for a citizenship.

So, if Lilja applied for a Kazakhstani citizenship, I honestly can't blame the Kazakhstani officials for assuming that he intends to play for them - because why else would he do that? Or did they also grant him the freakin' citizenship without asking him first? "Oh, hai, we have a surprise for you - here's your passport. Now come play for us, ok?"

I'm going to assume you are new here. Kazakhstan and Belarus (to a lesser extent) KHL franchises operate as base teams for their respective national teams, foreigners are almost exclusively signed with a view to naturalize them as soon as possible. It is a contractual (at least at verbal level) obligation to show up for national team in spring.

Lilja definately doesn't have to go through conventional process of applying for citizenship, passports are handed out like candy in Kazakhstan. The real hurdle is playing required two/four seasons for Kazakhstan club otherwise whole Kazakhstan NT roster would be bought mercenaries. Lilja has simply decided that he doesn't want to be a part of national team and that has caught Kazakhstan hockey by a surprise hence this confusion.

 

[Joka12]

I'm going to assume you are new here. Kazakhstan and Belarus (to a lesser extent) KHL franchises operate as base teams for their respective national teams, foreigners are almost exclusively signed with a view to naturalize them as soon as possible. It is a contractual (at least at verbal level) obligation to show up for national team in spring.

Lilja definately doesn't have to go through conventional process of applying for citizenship, passports are handed out like candy in Kazakhstan. The real hurdle is playing required two/four seasons for Kazakhstan club otherwise whole Kazakhstan NT roster would be bought mercenaries. Lilja has simply decided that he doesn't want to be a part of national team and that has caught Kazakhstan hockey by a surprise hence this confusion.

Such a sad way to run a National team

 

[Joka12]

I'm going to assume you are new here. Kazakhstan and Belarus (to a lesser extent) KHL franchises operate as base teams for their respective national teams, foreigners are almost exclusively signed with a view to naturalize them as soon as possible. It is a contractual (at least at verbal level) obligation to show up for national team in spring.

Lilja definately doesn't have to go through conventional process of applying for citizenship, passports are handed out like candy in Kazakhstan. The real hurdle is playing required two/four seasons for Kazakhstan club otherwise whole Kazakhstan NT roster would be bought mercenaries. Lilja has simply decided that he doesn't want to be a part of national team and that has caught Kazakhstan hockey by a surprise hence this confusion.

Btw do you feel like having a KHL team has increased the quality of Kazakhstan players in general? I am not against that part, I just feel it is a bit stupid with the import-thing.

 

[ozo]

Btw do you feel like having a KHL team has increased the quality of Kazakhstan players in general? I am not against that part, I just feel it is a bit stupid with the import-thing.

Marginally at best. It has provided a platform for couple of players to carve out better KHL careers (lets say Mikhailis, Panyukov, maybe Starchenko). To improve player quality money needs to be put into kids hockey not in elite club team, or to put it bluntly, you can't polish a turd.

 

[FiLe]

I'm going to assume you are new here. Kazakhstan and Belarus (to a lesser extent) KHL franchises operate as base teams for their respective national teams, foreigners are almost exclusively signed with a view to naturalize them as soon as possible. It is a contractual (at least at verbal level) obligation to show up for national team in spring.

Lilja definately doesn't have to go through conventional process of applying for citizenship, passports are handed out like candy in Kazakhstan. The real hurdle is playing required two/four seasons for Kazakhstan club otherwise whole Kazakhstan NT roster would be bought mercenaries. Lilja has simply decided that he doesn't want to be a part of national team and that has caught Kazakhstan hockey by a surprise hence this confusion.

I'm not new here, and I'm aware of all this, thank you. I don't think you quite got what I mean. You see, even if you're going to clear all the bureaucratic hurdles out of the lane when it suits you, you still probably need to keep the subject informed of the fact, and - most importantly - get their approval. No matter how deep into the third world you are.

Lilja here is acting like the invitation came out of the blue - says his "phone's been ringing like crazy ever since the news came out", which suggests that somebody just decided to naturalize him without telling him first. So, no matter whether it's Kazakhstan or whatever country that relies on imports to strengthen their NT, how in the heck do you blindside a player with the news that he's been issued a new citizenship?

 

[AKQJ]

32 candidates still in it. Team in Riga and played yesterday and lost to Latvia 0:5 (0:3;0:1;0:1).

Forward Pavel Akolzin (#18): "This mus never happen again! We did not play together for a long time. For many guys season ended early. For some guys it was the first game in 4 months. About the game. We crapped in the first period, lacked discipline and the opponent capitalized. In second and third period game was equal and at times we even dominated. We were very close to scoring, but their goalie played a great game.
The arena was very warm. We practiced at another rink and arrived here only yesterday. There was cold and totally different ice. Legs felt heavy and it was difficult to move. " More in Russian: Павел Акользин: «В будущем нельзя подобное допускать»

Kazakhstan roster:

20	Sergey Kudryavtsev	05.04.1995.	kg	cm
31	Andrey Shutov	04.03.1998.	kg	cm

4	Egor Shalapov	27.01.1995.	kg	cm
6	Leonid Metalnikov	25.04.1990.	kg	cm
9	Jesse Blacker	19.04.1991.	kg	cm
28	Valeriy Orekhov	17.07.1999.	76 kg	185 cm
55	Ivan Stepanenko	12.11.1995.	84 kg	188 cm
58	Viktor Svedberg	24.05.1991.	kg	cm
7	Emil Nurgaliev	20.04.1996.	kg	cm

10	Nikita Mikhailis	18.06.1995.	74 kg	173 cm
14	Curtis Valk	08.02.1993.	kg	cm
15	Egor Petukhov	28.02.1994.	kg	cm
18	Pavel Akolzin	25.11.1990.	kg	cm
22	Kirill Panyukov	22.05.1997.	80 kg	185 cm
24	Kirill Savitskiy	09.03.1995.	86 kg	183 cm
26	Mikhail Rakhmanov	27.05.1992.	kg	cm
48	Roman Starchenko	12.05.1986.	kg	986 cm
64	Arkadiy Shestakov	24.03.1995.	78 kg	180 cm
65	Samat Daniyar	24.01.1999.	68 kg	181 cm
68	Dmitrii Gurkov	03.06.1996.	kg	cm
69	Dmitrii Shevchenko	15.12.1995.	kg	cm
88	Yevgeniy Rymarev	09.09.1998.	kg	cm
89	Anton Sagadeev	06.09.1993.	kg	cm
96	Alikhan Assetov	26.08.1996.	86 kg	187 cm

 

[SoundAndFury]

After last WC Boyarkin not even on the team this year?

 

[Khokhlach86]

After last WC Boyarkin not even on the team this year?

He was injured while preparing for the WC and will not be able to play.

 

[ozo]

Yep, Boyarkin went down with injury. Paving way probably for yet another naturalization... Rumyantsev from reports was by far the best goalie in the local league, so I imagine he will be the starter.

 

[AKQJ]

Today rematch at 18:30 (CET) or 19:30 by local time in Riga.

 

[AKQJ]

Kazakhstan against Latvia today:

20	Sergey Kudryavtsev	05.04.1995.	kg	cm
82	Ilya Rumyantsev	15.10.1995.	kg	cm

2	Adil Beketayev	23.04.1998.	kg	cm
4	Egor Shalapov	27.01.1995.	kg	cm
6	Leonid Metalnikov	25.04.1990.	kg	cm
7	Emil Nurgaliev	20.04.1996.	kg	cm
9	Jesse Blacker	19.04.1991.	kg	cm
28	Valeriy Orekhov	17.07.1999.	76 kg	185 cm
58	Viktor Svedberg	24.05.1991.	kg	cm

10	Nikita Mikhailis	18.06.1995.	74 kg	173 cm
14	Curtis Valk	08.02.1993.	kg	cm
18	Pavel Akolzin	25.11.1990.	kg	cm
22	Kirill Panyukov	22.05.1997.	80 kg	185 cm
24	Kirill Savitskiy	09.03.1995.	86 kg	183 cm
26	Mikhail Rakhmanov	27.05.1992.	kg	cm
48	Roman Starchenko	12.05.1986.	kg	986 cm
64	Arkadiy Shestakov	24.03.1995.	78 kg	180 cm
65	Samat Daniyar	24.01.1999.	68 kg	181 cm
69	Dmitrii Shevchenko	15.12.1995.	kg	cm
77	Sayan Daniyar	05.10.1999.	kg	cm
86	Dmitriy Grents	10.06.1996.	80 kg	183 cm
88	Yevgeniy Rymarev	09.09.1998.	kg	cm
96	Alikhan Assetov	26.08.1996.	86 kg	187 cm