Player Discussion Karl Alzner - Is he still here?

[Le Tricolore]

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[Skip Bayless]

I'm so excited to start another Karl Alzner thread boys.

 

[Tighthead]

Keep living the dream Karl.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

$6M to play in the minors; do you think he pays the bill when the boys go out for drinks?

 

[montreal]

Agreed on OTT. They still would likely want a pick to take him.

It also might be a good move for Alzner. The Sens have Mike Reilly and Andreas Englund as their bottom 4 LD. Alzner might actually be good enough to stay on their roster.

they have a ton of picks this year but maybe MB can entice them with a pick in '21. They are loaded with top picks in both '20 and '21 but after the 2nd round in '21 they have only 5 picks so maybe something could be worked out.

I don't mind him as a 3rd pairing D in Laval but we might need all the cap space we can get next summer.

How intrested Alzner will be playing another full season in Laval ? Of course, 4M $ is a good incentive, but....

5M, he already got 1.5M for next year, he gets 1.5M on the season and then next season he gets 3.5M so with him and his wife just having another kid a year or so ago, i don't see him just walking away from 5M bucks.

I wouldn't buy him out.
It's not the Habs fault if he sucks ass.
If he wants to quit, he just have to resiliate his contract. If he wants to get paid, go to Laval (unless he become somehow better than what we have here)

The only reason to buy him out is that next year we could need the cap space if they plan on re-signing Gallagher, Tatar, Danault, Armia plus Kotka gets his raise and whatever money they spend they need to keep some for the next summer when Suzuki will get a big raise most likely. So in a flat cap world, that's a problem to consider.

Keep him around until next year, he's depth in case of injury. They have the cap space and will save about 1.5 mil burying him in the minors. He will pass by waivers when he gets demoted after a call up but chances he gets picked are slim to none. Worst case, some team grabs him for free and he becomes their problem. If he doesn't report to Laval, the contract gets terminated and it's no ones problem.

If they re-sign Ouellet we would be knee deep in D's

Weber
Petry
Chia
Edmundson
Romanov
Mete
Juulsen
Kulak
Ouellet
Fleury
Brook
Olofsson
Alzner
Leskinen

Schueneman
Halbert
Bisson

plus they could put Fairbrother in Laval over being an overager in the dub.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

they have a ton of picks this year but maybe MB can entice them with a pick in '21. They are loaded with top picks in both '20 and '21 but after the 2nd round in '21 they have only 5 picks so maybe something could be worked out.

I don't mind him as a 3rd pairing D in Laval but we might need all the cap space we can get next summer.



5M, he already got 1.5M for next year, he gets 1.5M on the season and then next season he gets 3.5M so with him and his wife just having another kid a year or so ago, i don't see him just walking away from 5M bucks.



The only reason to buy him out is that next year we could need the cap space if they plan on re-signing Gallagher, Tatar, Danault, Armia plus Kotka gets his raise and whatever money they spend they need to keep some for the next summer when Suzuki will get a big raise most likely. So in a flat cap world, that's a problem to consider.



If they re-sign Ouellet we would be knee deep in D's

Weber
Petry
Chia
Edmundson
Romanov
Mete
Juulsen
Kulak
Ouellet
Fleury
Brook
Olofsson
Alzner
Leskinen

Schueneman
Halbert
Bisson

plus they could put Fairbrother in Laval over being an overager in the dub.

I think we've all seen too much of Ouellet already. I hope Dumb Dumb doesn't give him another 2 way deal.

 

[Le Tricolore]

I think we've all seen too much of Ouellet already. I hope Dumb Dumb doesn't give him another 2 way deal.

Why not? He's good for Laval, and in a pinch he wasn't entirely out of place in the NHL. I'd rather have him as a call-up in case of emergency than Olofson or Leskinen.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Why not? He's good for Laval, and in a pinch he wasn't entirely out of place in the NHL. I'd rather have him as a call-up in case of emergency than Olofson or Leskinen.

Much love for Ouellet, I see.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Offer him a coaching job in AHL after his NHL career. Maybe he decides to retire and we can pay him another way where it's not affecting our cap? Worth a shot

 

[BaseballCoach]

Offer him a coaching job in AHL after his NHL career. Maybe he decides to retire and we can pay him another way where it's not affecting our cap? Worth a shot

Ouellet never affects our cap if he is at league minimum.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ouellet never affects our cap if he is at league minimum.

Alzner, not Ouellet.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Alzner, not Ouellet.

Aha, I misread the different posters. Yes I agree with you. But his current salary would put him at the level of a veteran Stanley-Cup winning coach, in terms of annual salary! It might be seen as cap circumvention.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Aha, I misread the different posters. Yes I agree with you. But his current salary would put him at the level of a veteran Stanley-Cup winning coach, in terms of annual salary! It might be seen as cap circumvention.

It's unlikely to work but you could offer a 4 year contract spreading the money out. If Molson is OK with it, overpaying him as a AHL coach vs taking up our cap space is good use of money advantage. Just an idea and they probably don't do it.

What are Alzner's retirement plans? Coaching or sitting on his ass?

 

[abo9]

Oh crap I thought we only had until the end of 2021... but its 2022? Is Alzner the worst contract in the past X years, or even in the history of the league?

It's "only" $4.6M of cap space, but the guy only played one full season with us

 

[Habs Halifax]

Oh crap I thought we only had until the end of 2021... but its 2022? Is Alzner the worst contract in the past X years, or even in the history of the league?

It's "only" $4.6M of cap space, but the guy only played one full season with us

Alzner's contract is more buy out friendly vs others like Lucic and Eriksson. Nothing to brag about but we probably don't buy him out until next season. The 5 year term was dumb! Bergevin then learned and signed Chiarot to 3 and Edmundson to 4. Middle of the line-up guys should be 3 years max but Edmundson probably wouldn't sign.

 

[abo9]

Alzner's contract is more buy out friendly vs others like Lucic and Eriksson. Nothing to brag about but we probably don't buy him out until next season. The 5 year term was dumb! Bergevin then learned and signed Chiarot to 3 and Edmundson to 4. Middle of the line-up guys should be 3 years max but Edmundson probably wouldn't sign.

Good point with the buy out friendly.
Moot observation on my part but both these guys are still playing at the NHL level (maybe the teams don't want to bury them in minors?)

I know the money is a good "consolation prize", but those contracts makes me feel bad for all parties involved lol.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Good point with the buy out friendly.
Moot observation on my part but both these guys are still playing at the NHL level (maybe the teams don't want to bury them in minors?)

I know the money is a good "consolation prize", but those contracts makes me feel bad for all parties involved lol.

He has not hurt our cap yet but maybe it's starting to show now this off season.

 

[abo9]

He has not hurt our cap yet but maybe it's starting to show now this off season.

We'll see. The off season is just starting and Montreal rarely attracts top UFA, so MB might be more on the lookout for trades?

Next offseason there's gonna be a lot to be done, it's gonna be a pivotal point for the franchise going forward (the next 5-10 years). If we let go of Allen + Tatar, that's $9M off the books. Is that enough to resign everyone else, and proceed to add anyone we want? Then Alzner doesn't need to be bought out, but I don't understand 100% how guying out works, so if it saves real money to Molson maybe they do it anyway?

 

[Habs Halifax]

We'll see. The off season is just starting and Montreal rarely attracts top UFA, so MB might be more on the lookout for trades?

Next offseason there's gonna be a lot to be done, it's gonna be a pivotal point for the franchise going forward (the next 5-10 years). If we let go of Allen + Tatar, that's $9M off the books. Is that enough to resign everyone else, and proceed to add anyone we want? Then Alzner doesn't need to be bought out, but I don't understand 100% how guying out works, so if it saves real money to Molson maybe they do it anyway?

Alzner will be bought out next year. That I am sure of

 

[BLONG7]

Alzner will be bought out next year. That I am sure of

Hopefully we have a new GM who will take care of that..........

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hopefully we have a new GM who will take care of that..........

New GM or not, it makes sense to buy him out next off season vs this off season.

 

[montreal]

Hopefully we have a new GM who will take care of that..........

i don't see that happening, money molson would have to pay 2 GMs and maybe 2 coaches if the new gm wants to hire his guy. can't see money bags doing that although he since he announced that up to 8 year rebuild is already over maybe MB will be on thin ice if we suck next year.

 

[FrankMTL]

Just here to remind everybody that Karl Alzner gets paid $12,671.23 per day.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Just here to remind everybody that Karl Alzner gets paid $12,671.23 per day.

One conman conning another conman.

 

[angusyoung]