Value of: Justin Faulk and Jeff Skinner at the draft

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Came to see some terrible offers. Was not disappointed. Why again are the Canes trading top-4 or top-6 players for the Leafs scraps?

If the Canes are trading Faulk or Skinner it will be in a hockey deal for players similar or better than Faulk or Skinner. They aren’t trading roster players for B prospects and picks.

When did I mention the Leafs in the OP? this is meant to be a general Value of Faulk and Skinner thread

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Faulk stinks

See now there is no need to lie.

 

[Svechhammer]

Skinner - more than you're willing to give up. He's too valuable to the Canes in being one of the only legitimate scoring threats on the roster than any fair trade would get. He only gets moved for a significant enough upgrade at the C or F spots to make it worth their while.

Faulk? He could be a little more expendable. You're likely to get a little more of an even trade for him, but realistically, if he gets moved its for a legitimate 1st line player, likely a winger. Not sure he'll command 1C without the Canes adding.

I would think there is enough in the prospect pool and up front in general to acquire Faulk without dealing Marner or Nylander, IF Faulk becomes available this summer

The Canes aren't in the market to be dealing productive players for B-level scraps. If you're going to come after him, you better be prepared to offer up something significant, like a Marner or a Nylander. He's getting moved for A-level talent, not a combination of 3 Bs and Cs. We have enough of those.

 

[CupsOverCash]

I would take Faulk on TB but I don't think we can afford him. We would need to trade Johnson for him and that would work but I would rather we trade Johnson for a young player on elc or a pick. We could use the cap space for Kuch and some other guys who are going to get paid.

 

[pheasant]

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The Canes aren't in the market to be dealing productive players for B-level scraps. If you're going to come after him, you better be prepared to offer up something significant, like a Marner or a Nylander. He's getting moved for A-level talent, not a combination of 3 Bs and Cs. We have enough of those.

I think that was true before this season. But not so much any more. Marner and Nylander are both playing great, while Faulk has had a down year. I was one of the few Leafs fans that thought Nylander for Faulk was fair back in the offseason. But I think it's not so clear any more.

I still completely agree with that last part, though. There's no pile of 2nd round picks and 2nd rate prospects that will land Faulk. Kapanen or Brown doesn't start the conversation. So there's probably no good middle ground with Toronto. Carolina needs the best forward they can get in return. If it's not going to be Nylander or Marner, there's no slightly-lesser option that fits.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Came to see some terrible offers. Was not disappointed. Why again are the Canes trading top-4 or top-6 players for the Leafs scraps?

If the Canes are trading Faulk or Skinner it will be in a hockey deal for players similar or better than Faulk or Skinner. They aren’t trading roster players for B prospects and picks.

Pretty sure there wasn't a single actual offer from the Leafs so your first comment makes less than 0 sense.

Every rangers fan thought McDonagh would bring back some blue chippers, didn't seem to work out that way.

 

[GoldiFox]

Pretty sure there wasn't a single actual offer from the Leafs so your first comment makes less than 0 sense.

Every rangers fan thought McDonagh would bring back some blue chippers, didn't seem to work out that way.

The Canes are shopping Faulk (in relation to McDonagh). Faulk has two more years left on his contract.

While no offer was made, the premise is clearly stated as "This won't cost Marner/Nylander, right?".

Or, more eloquently stated:

I still completely agree with that last part, though. There's no pile of 2nd round picks and 2nd rate prospects that will land Faulk. Kapanen or Brown doesn't start the conversation. So there's probably no good middle ground with Toronto. Carolina needs the best forward they can get in return. If it's not going to be Nylander or Marner, there's no slightly-lesser option that fits.

Canes aren't looking for blue-chip prospects like NYR was. They are looking for NHL players equal or better to what is currently on the roster. They Canes are the ones looking to add quantity to get quality. The last thing they need to do is dilute their current talent pool even further by moving a Faulk/Skinner for quantity.

 

[go comets]

I don't see Skinner going anywhere. I think Faulk may be a possibility, tho. I'd be more likely to fire BP, than shed good core pieces at this point. This team is young and talented. I'd like to see what someone else could do with this team first.

I actually think the opposite. The canes are In a rut and need to make some changes. No doubt over the summer Ron Francis needs to explore what the return would be on these two players....

 

[hockeyguy1967]

Carolina has not made the playoffs since 08-09,if they miss the playoffs again you have to think some significant changes will need to be made, 2 guys I can see being on the block are Jeff Skinner. Skinner due to his UFA status after next season, and Faulk because Faulk's name has been out there off and on for a couple years and I think this might be the time Carolina finally pulls the trigger

I could be wrong in Faulk's case but I do believe he is a guy we could see move at the draft.

What do you think Carolina could get for Skinner and Faulk?

Problem with Faulk is he is really bad in the Dzone, like really really bad. Even with all the D studs the Canes have they still cannot stop his horribleness in his own zone and prop him up.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I love how everyone is an expert on Faulk.

I’m talking people who I KNOW don’t watch the canes

 

[bleedgreen]

I mean if they miss the playoffs again it will be 9 years in a row I would think some significant changes have to be made

Francis has had a plan and it’ll get him one more year. He isn’t on the hook for the Rutherford years. Someone may get fired, and some players may get moved, but trading core pieces just because they missed the playoffs again isn’t gonna happen just for the sake of change. Even if someone new came in to run the team I doubt trading two of the teams best players in their mid 20’s for other teams struggling players would be the plan.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Problem with Faulk is he is really bad in the Dzone, like really really bad. Even with all the D studs the Canes have they still cannot stop his horribleness in his own zone and prop him up.

Quite the hot take there guy.

 

[hockeyguy1967]

Quite the hot take there guy.

No, it comes from Stats, you know actual proof.... Sorry it upsets you.

 

[nabob]

Would love to have both on the Oilers.

RNH + Sekera (he might waive to go back to Carolina) + pick??

 

[Svechhammer]

No, it comes from Stats, you know actual proof.... Sorry it upsets you.

Well I mean there you go. Totally just identified the crux of the problem in Carolina by looking at the stat sheet. Damn, why hasn't Francis thought of doing that, yet.

 

[Crazydounut]

RNH and Puljujarvi for Faulk, Skinner (50%) and another piece.

Boy.

 

[Crazydounut]

Faulk would command Nylander or Marner more then likely. Carolina might have to add a 2nd or 3rd to it but that would be the most likely trade to Toronto. Skinner would more then likely command Marner or Nylander as well. Again though, Carolina would have to add something onto that trade

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Still love Elliott Friedmans Andreas Athanasiou for Justin Faulk, Detroit would take that and run, But Ronny Francis would say Hell No Way.

 

[Chan790]

Would love to have both on the Oilers.

RNH + Sekera (he might waive to go back to Carolina) + pick??

No. Not likely. It's been suggested that he basically wouldn't sign in Carolina at-all. Also, he's not really of any interest to the Canes now...we're stacked on D.

Personally, no RNH interest either.

 

[Cane mutiny]

I actually think the opposite. The canes are In a rut and need to make some changes. No doubt over the summer Ron Francis needs to explore what the return would be on these two players....

If they are in a rut, it's not due to Skinner. It's more due to the way BP has misused him and a few other players this year. He's played Skinner on the third line almost all season with Ryan and various other untalented lackeys, and he is still 2nd in goal scoring with almost 0 help. We also have no good replacement for him, since we are not deep at forward. I also don't think we would get proper value for him, because he's more valuable to this team than he would be to others teams. He's also evolved into a leader on this team. Faulk is a different story, since we have a bigger stockpile of defencemen to draw from. There are also young guys, like Necas, coming next year that should make a difference in the teams talent level, and provide better talent for Skinner to play with. Necas may center that 3rd line with Skinner on the wing? Not ready to give up on this young team yet. It took too long to build it, and it's just now coming into view. BP, however, may not be the right coach for it?

 

[varano]

See now there is no need to lie.

He's extremely over-rated and is not the player he used to be.

 

[McSuper]

Oilers would do Yamahato, Puljarvi, Bear and a 2ned for both.

No they wouldn't . Cap space is a real thing

 

[tom leafers]

I might do Nylander and something like a 3rd/Leivo for both.

But my god, i know +/- isnt really a good stat, but why are both of them a combined -50?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I might do Nylander and something like a 3rd/Leivo for both.

But my god, i know +/- isnt really a good stat, but why are both of them a combined -50?

Because Carolina has 2 backups and no #1 goalie

 

[tarheelhockey]

Canes aren't looking for blue-chip prospects like NYR was. They are looking for NHL players equal or better to what is currently on the roster. They Canes are the ones looking to add quantity to get quality. The last thing they need to do is dilute their current talent pool even further by moving a Faulk/Skinner for quantity.

This is a good succinct way to put it. Carolina would be looking to package Faulk AND Skinner for a single player to make a significant upgrade. Probably a distressed asset like someone who wants out of their current situation (Tavares and Karlsson being the generic HFBoards go-to options for that category, but there will surely be others before next season begins). That big-time player is the missing piece in Carolina, not another 3C or another second-pair defenseman or another 2nd round draft pick. If the opportunity isn't there, then it just isn't there and we move on.