Josh Norris vs William Nylander

[Golden_Jet]

After each of their 1st 3 seasons in the league(2 & a bit each really)......
Josh Norris: 52G/90P - signs 7.95M deal for 8 years
William Nylander: 48G/135P - signs 6.9M deal for 6 years(& he has 89G/208P in the 4 years since then...)

I take Nylander. Much better offensive performance and cheaper.

Lol,
Norris played 3 games year 1.
And your points have nothing to do with poll. HolyCherryPicker not Makinaw.

Take age and contracts moving forward, not what happened on ELC.

 

[Golden_Jet]

One player played 1 full season and 2/3 of a season (shortened season). The other played 2 full seasons and a 1/4 of a season. Why omit that?

Poster likes to cherry pick, and ignore what the poll asked. That’s the posters shtick.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Nylander for the next two or three years without a second of doubt

Norris after that is a credible option

Right now Nylander is in his prime. A PPG winger in both the reg and playoffs

Incredibly small sample size

 

[hamzarocks]

Incredibly small sample size

It's all we got lol

I'd definitely take Nylander stinking in the playoffs one year if it meant an 8th leafs playoff game

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

It's all we got lol

I'd definitely take Nylander stinking in the playoffs one year if it meant an 8th leafs playoff game

Nylander was really good against Montreal, he proved me wrong and showed that he was a more intense competitor than I initially thought. It was Marner that ducked away from the physical battles

 

[Pyrophorus]

Can I ask why Norris missed this playing time?

 

[Pyrophorus]

Incredibly small sample size

Is 39g, really that little?

 

[Korpse]

Can I ask why Norris missed this playing time?

Are you asking about the 56 game shortened season?

 

[GoldenSeal]

Nylander

 

[JimmyApples]

Norris - centre, better goal scorer, and there’s no viral clips of him giving up on plays

 

[Pyrophorus]

One player played 1 full season and 2/3 of a season (shortened season). The other played 2 full seasons and a 1/4 of a season. Why omit that?

Ok, why did he only play 66 games this past season?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Is 39g, really that little?

If it's 39 games then he's a .77 point per game playoff performer. He has produced at 1ppg for the last 2 playoffs only

 

[Pavels Dog]

Give me the younger center who is about to enter elite goalscorer territory.

That seems premature. His even strength goalscoring really wasn't that amazing. He was great on the powerplay but what if DeBrincat eats into that opportunity a bit? His shooting % so far in the NHL is also on the high side.

Right now I'd go with Nylander pretty easily. He's a flawed player but rarely do you see so much disrespect for a young-ish 80+ point player who flashes elite skill.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ok, why did he only play 66 games this past season?

Injured.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Voted Norris because I’m biased.
But I’m not the biggest fan of Norris - so it’s close.

 

[MoreGore]

Why are we using contracts to rank the players when contracts have nothing to how talented or good a player is?

A plyers NHL value is tied to their contract. That is how the majority see it.

 

[NyQuil]

A plyers NHL value is tied to their contract. That is how the majority see it.

A lot of people make the mistake of comparing contracts directly when that can only really occur when they are signed in the same year.

Crosby signed for 8.7M in his prime which was a lot of money at the time.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Nylander stays healthier too.

That seems premature. His even strength goalscoring really wasn't that amazing. He was great on the powerplay but what if DeBrincat eats into that opportunity a bit? His shooting % so far in the NHL is also on the high side.

Right now I'd go with Nylander pretty easily. He's a flawed player but rarely do you see so much disrespect for a young-ish 80+ point player who flashes elite skill.

He can also distribute, Norris does not.

 

[NyQuil]

Nylander stays healthier too.


He can also distribute, Norris does not.

It's a bit of a tough poll with Nylander much more established in terms of his playing style and role.

Norris had a premium role and real estate on the PP in a relatively small sample which took full advantage of his most powerful offensive asset - his shot in the circles.

With potentially more offensive options with the man advantage, you have to think he'll be challenged to score as many PP goals.

At the same time, I think his assist numbers are artificially low for the same reason.

He's been used primarily as a shooter but that doesn't mean he's incapable of making plays. Batherson missed half a season which put increased pressure on Norris in his absence to play more creatively.

He actually put up more goals and assists in Drake's absence.

 

[Korpse]

Ok, why did he only play 66 games this past season?

A shoulder injury. Which was his only full season. The point stands one player played 1 and 2/3 seasons, if you want me to be more specific I guess I could say 3/5. The 3/5ths of a season being the shortened season not because of injury. The other other played 2 full seasons and a quarter. The comparison in production was disingenuous with out including games played. Norris has had the opportunity to play 70% of the games that Nylander did at that point and that includes the games he missed due to injury. The difference in their PPG is 0.0097. The only way you can conclude that one has had superior production on their ELC is if you are completely dishonest.

 

[Xspyrit]

I'll take the :

- better goal scorer
- player who is 3 years younger
- player who is signed for 6 more years
- center over the winger
- player engaged in all 3 zones

Kinda surprising that Norris isn't winning this easily. Actually not that surprising, small market between 3 giant market. Most people outside of Sens fans I have seen talking about Norris had no idea he has been one of the best NHL goal scorers for a season and a half. Obviously, a lot of voters here are not aware of that

Norris. Locked up for much longer and I think he’s going to be a stud. And a more complete player than Nylander. For the record I like Willy quite a bit.

Well, that has already started, 47 goals in his last 91 games... 12th highest Goals Per Game since March 15th 2021

What, you don't like facts?

"Games Played" is a crucial fact in what you were trying to show. Swing and a miss, completely discredited. Try again.

A lot of people make the mistake of comparing contracts directly when that can only really occur when they are signed in the same year.

Crosby signed for 8.7M in his prime which was a lot of money at the time.

Yes and there's something for that on Cap Friendly, it's called "cap hit percentage of the cap ceiling". Ex :

Sidney Crosby C.H.%

: 14.50
Connor McDavid C.H.%

: 16.67

 

[jbeck5]

Nylander stays healthier too.


He can also distribute, Norris does not.

Nylander stays healthier?

Norris had had one injury since turning pro. Nylanders log shows him missing multiple games multiple times in his career.

Norris first 2 seasons he missed zero games. They are shortened due to lockdowns. Maybe that's confusing you?

What a silly argument.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

That Nylander series against the Habs two seasons ago made me a believer, but I’ll take Norris here because I think the floor is similar but his ceiling is higher.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I voted Nylander, but the OP states to take age and contract into consideration so I would probably switch my vote over to Norris.

These kind of polls are weird. I think Nylander is the better player, but Norris is the better trade piece, which is essentially what the pole is asking.

 

[lawrence]

Nylander had proven a lot more.