Value of: Johnny Gaudreau to Columbus

[Double Dion]

Enough depth in the bottom six? The Flames have an incredible bottom six now. They just signed the great bottom six guys.

Loved Brodie, but Tanev is just better.

The main issue with the Flames is they need more consistent scoring from the top 6. Let's remember though that Tkachuk was out for the Dallas series.

If the Flames can add a big name at the deadline, they'll be a much improved team.

Most commentators are listing the Flames as one of the most improved teams. Your take here is way off.

I agree with most of your posts. Definitely disagree with the bolded. Brodie and Backlund both get criminally underrated and have for years by our fanbase.

 

[Mick Jagr]

Torts woulda ate Gaudreau alive. Good thing he didn't go there.

 

[blankall]

I agree with most of your posts. Definitely disagree with the bolded. Brodie and Backlund both get criminally underrated and have for years by our fanbase.

3 years ago, Brodie had the clear edge. However, Brodie has also been inconsistent through the years. Meanwhile, Tanev has slowly developed into a steady warrior of a d-man. The major issue with Tanev is injuries.

Tanev obviously doesn't have the offensive upside of Brodie, but with Andersson, Valimaki, and Kylington taking larger roles, that issue should be addressed. Tanev also brings a much more physical presence.

With Markstrom and Tanev on the back end, the Flames will be a lot more confident, and we'll see the whole team play better.

 

[Double Dion]

3 years ago, Brodie had the clear edge. However, Brodie has also been inconsistent through the years. Meanwhile, Tanev has slowly developed into a steady warrior of a d-man. The major issue with Tanev is injuries.

Tanev obviously doesn't have the offensive upside of Brodie, but with Andersson, Valimaki, and Kylington taking larger roles, that issue should be addressed. Tanev also brings a much more physical presence.

With Markstrom and Tanev on the back end, the Flames will be a lot more confident, and we'll see the whole team play better.

I agree with you 2 and 3 years ago that Tanev was better. But before that Brodie was better and last season Brodie was better. I also think he has way less miles on his body.

 

[blankall]

I agree with you 2 and 3 years ago that Tanev was better. But before that Brodie was better and last season Brodie was better. I also think he has way less miles on his body.

Tanev is definitely one of those interesting injury prone players. He doesn't see to have one major injury but a bunch of unlucky ones. He did play almost all the games this past year. I do agree, that injuries remain a huge worry with him.

 

[Jerkbait]

Enough depth in the bottom six? The Flames have an incredible bottom six now. They just signed the great bottom six guys.

Loved Brodie, but Tanev is just better.

The main issue with the Flames is they need more consistent scoring from the top 6. Let's remember though that Tkachuk was out for the Dallas series.

If the Flames can add a big name at the deadline, they'll be a much improved team.

Most commentators are listing the Flames as one of the most improved teams. Your take here is way off.

Ahahahahah tanev better than brodie ??? Come on.. dom simon is your deoth piece?? The flames improved the goaltending yes. Defense NO and offense NO. Problem is Edmonton got better as well. Vancouver is better. Dallas, st louis, Vegas, Colorado, all better... Winnipeg and Nashville right there .. just cause you think the flames will be improved doesnt mean they are a playoff team.. to be a true contender they need a 1C
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[Double Dion]

Ahahahahah tanev better than brodie ??? Come on.. dom simon is your deoth piece?? The flames improved the goaltending yes. Defense NO and offense NO. Problem is Edmonton got better as well. Vancouver is better. Dallas, st louis, Vegas, Colorado, all better... Winnipeg and Nashville right there .. just cause you think the flames will be improved doesnt mean they are a playoff team.. to be a true contender they need a 1C
.

How did Edmonton get better? How did Vancouver get better? Edmonton won't have their best defenseman and picked up a bottom 6 center and a PP specialist. I don't think they're better. Vancouver lost offense and goaltending and stayed about the same on the blueline. I would tend to agree with you that we took a small step backwards on defense, Hamonic was our worst defenseman last year, but Brodie was one of our 3 best. Our depth looks slightly better and our goaltending is better too. Of the 3 teams you mentioned Calgary improved the most.

 

[Jerkbait]

How did Edmonton get better? How did Vancouver get better? Edmonton won't have their best defenseman and picked up a bottom 6 center and a PP specialist. I don't think they're better. Vancouver lost offense and goaltending and stayed about the same on the blueline. I would tend to agree with you that we took a small step backwards on defense, Hamonic was our worst defenseman last year, but Brodie was one of our 3 best. Our depth looks slightly better and our goaltending is better too. Of the 3 teams you mentioned Calgary improved the most.

Barrie will shine with mcdavid. He may lead Nhl D in points next year. Edmonton powerplay got better . Turris is a good addition to bottom 6. Oilers got better... Vancouver was already better ... yes they lost Markstrom but they got stanley cup winning goalie in Holtby. They let tanev walk . They still are better than the flames... again look at the teams in the west that got better and its hard to see calgary sneaking in.

 

[elitepete]

2013-2017 Tanev was better than Brodie. 2018-2019 Brodie was better. Last season Tanev was better. Overall they have been pretty close to equal and I think that will continue going forward.

 

[DFF]

Barrie will shine with mcdavid. He may lead Nhl D in points next year. Edmonton powerplay got better . Turris is a good addition to bottom 6. Oilers got better... Vancouver was already better ... yes they lost Markstrom but they got stanley cup winning goalie in Holtby. They let tanev walk . They still are better than the flames... again look at the teams in the west that got better and its hard to see calgary sneaking in.

Edmonton improved their defense by adding a guy that cant play defense....and they still have Smith, the great equalizer.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Edmonton improved their defense by adding a guy that cant play defense....and they still have Smith, the great equalizer.

Good thing they raised their 29.5% powerplay to a 29.8%...

 

[MessierII]

Edmonton improved their defense by adding a guy that cant play defense....and they still have Smith, the great equalizer.

Oilers haven’t had a 50 point D man since 2009 and have had just one D man have one 40 point season in that time. Think about that.

 

[Double Dion]

Barrie will shine with mcdavid. He may lead Nhl D in points next year. Edmonton powerplay got better . Turris is a good addition to bottom 6. Oilers got better... Vancouver was already better ... yes they lost Markstrom but they got stanley cup winning goalie in Holtby. They let tanev walk . They still are better than the flames... again look at the teams in the west that got better and its hard to see calgary sneaking in.

That's a ridiculous opinion. The Leafs have way better forwards that the Oilers and he certainly didn't come close there. Not sure why you would think that. Turris was a healthy scratch in Nashville a lot of games and Nashville was a 10th place team.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

That's a ridiculous opinion. The Leafs have way better forwards that the Oilers and he certainly didn't come close there. Not sure why you would think that. Turris was a healthy scratch in Nashville a lot of games and Nashville was a 10th place team.

I don't know if it's that ridiculous. His last 2 years in Colorado he was 6th in among defenseman in scoring and in 17-18 he was 2nd in points per game among defenseman behind only Karlsson with 57 points in 68gp.

He was misused under Babcock, but had 34 points in his final 49gp in Toronto (57 point pace).

Considering how lethal Edmonton's PP is, it wouldn't shock me at all to see Barrie challenge for top scoring defenseman. He should certainly be up there.

 

[Double Dion]

I don't know if it's that ridiculous. His last 2 years in Colorado he was 6th in among defenseman in scoring and in 17-18 he was 2nd in points per game among defenseman behind only Karlsson with 57 points in 68gp.

He was misused under Babcock, but had 34 points in his final 49gp in Toronto (57 point pace).

Considering how lethal Edmonton's PP is, it wouldn't shock me at all to see Barrie challenge for top scoring defenseman. He should certainly be up there.

I'd be shocked. Edmonton's PP is not centered around the point. It's centered on the half wall. I think he'll score less points as an Oiler than he did as a Leaf.

 

[Jerkbait]

That's a ridiculous opinion. The Leafs have way better forwards that the Oilers and he certainly didn't come close there. Not sure why you would think that. Turris was a healthy scratch in Nashville a lot of games and Nashville was a 10th place team.

Barrie will play the full PP . He never had mcdavid or Leon who are better than marner and company. He will play a more sheltered offensive role and shine. The Oilers are his kinda team.. 70 to 75 points is not unreasonable.

 

[Mazatt]

Ahahahahah tanev better than brodie ??? Come on.. dom simon is your deoth piece?? The flames improved the goaltending yes. Defense NO and offense NO. Problem is Edmonton got better as well. Vancouver is better. Dallas, st louis, Vegas, Colorado, all better... Winnipeg and Nashville right there .. just cause you think the flames will be improved doesnt mean they are a playoff team.. to be a true contender they need a 1C
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"They didn't improve offensively." They come in with the same group but are replacing Rinaldo and Rieder with players who can actually score? As well as the natural development cycle of a player like Dube increasing their scoring depth? They don't need Simon to score 25, they literally need him to score 7 to break even with Rinaldo and Rieder combined, and that's before you factor in Leivo.

Defense is also another break even category at the very least with a top prospect in Valimaki coming into the league and Andersson being allowed to be utilized in his proper role of a top 4 d-man drastically changes the outlook of the defense. Couple that with Markstrom at the very least being dependable over a bigger workload with an excellent backup in Rittich behind him, and I find it hard to say they haven't improved in all categories.

And being a playoff team is not synonymous with being a contender. Edmonton for what it's worth, improved their roster, but their success was predicated on a historical powerplay that is unlikely to repeat and they need to rely more on a goalie who's proven he can't take a full starter workload because of the fact they re-signed Mike Smith.

And even that ignores the fact that the Flames top players are coming off of massive down years and that any form of a bounceback to their norms puts them ahead of the Canucks and Oilers last year (12 extra points from Gaudreau in the same time frame, 20 more from Monahan are easily worth an extra 4 points in the standings)

It is also interesting you are blatantly under the impression that both Edmonton and Vancouver were so much better than Calgary despite the fact they were 2-3-4 in the Pacific standings, with at worst it being an 83-82-81 points spread between the three teams at 71 games. They were incredibly even so acting like they need to 'sneak in' after their improvements is a fools errand.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I'd be shocked. Edmonton's PP is not centered around the point. It's centered on the half wall. I think he'll score less points as an Oiler than he did as a Leaf.

That might have something to do with the fact that they don't have a proper QB?

 

[FlamesFreak4]

Ahh crap, I thought I clicked on a thread about gaudreau....

 

[blankall]

"They didn't improve offensively." They come in with the same group but are replacing Rinaldo and Rieder with players who can actually score? As well as the natural development cycle of a player like Dube increasing their scoring depth? They don't need Simon to score 25, they literally need him to score 7 to break even with Rinaldo and Rieder combined, and that's before you factor in Leivo.

Defense is also another break even category at the very least with a top prospect in Valimaki coming into the league and Andersson being allowed to be utilized in his proper role of a top 4 d-man drastically changes the outlook of the defense. Couple that with Markstrom at the very least being dependable over a bigger workload with an excellent backup in Rittich behind him, and I find it hard to say they haven't improved in all categories.

And being a playoff team is not synonymous with being a contender. Edmonton for what it's worth, improved their roster, but their success was predicated on a historical powerplay that is unlikely to repeat and they need to rely more on a goalie who's proven he can't take a full starter workload because of the fact they re-signed Mike Smith.

And even that ignores the fact that the Flames top players are coming off of massive down years and that any form of a bounceback to their norms puts them ahead of the Canucks and Oilers last year (12 extra points from Gaudreau in the same time frame, 20 more from Monahan are easily worth an extra 4 points in the standings)

It is also interesting you are blatantly under the impression that both Edmonton and Vancouver were so much better than Calgary despite the fact they were 2-3-4 in the Pacific standings, with at worst it being an 83-82-81 points spread between the three teams at 71 games. They were incredibly even so acting like they need to 'sneak in' after their improvements is a fools errand.

To add to this. Edmonton had an amazing start and Calgary had an awful start last year. So if we're looking at where the teams are now, it makes sense to take into account where each team was trending.

 

[Waivers]

With Torts as his coach where he wants you to play in your opponents face every night?

 

[ESH]

2013-2017 Tanev was better than Brodie. 2018-2019 Brodie was better. Last season Tanev was better. Overall they have been pretty close to equal and I think that will continue going forward.

Brodie from 2014-2016 was a 2-way force for the Flames. No chance Tanev was better then.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Brodie from 2014-2016 was a 2-way force for the Flames. No chance Tanev was better then.

I wouldn't say no chance. Tanev was arguably the best shutdown D in the league during those years.

 

[Jerkbait]

"They didn't improve offensively." They come in with the same group but are replacing Rinaldo and Rieder with players who can actually score? As well as the natural development cycle of a player like Dube increasing their scoring depth? They don't need Simon to score 25, they literally need him to score 7 to break even with Rinaldo and Rieder combined, and that's before you factor in Leivo.

Defense is also another break even category at the very least with a top prospect in Valimaki coming into the league and Andersson being allowed to be utilized in his proper role of a top 4 d-man drastically changes the outlook of the defense. Couple that with Markstrom at the very least being dependable over a bigger workload with an excellent backup in Rittich behind him, and I find it hard to say they haven't improved in all categories.

And being a playoff team is not synonymous with being a contender. Edmonton for what it's worth, improved their roster, but their success was predicated on a historical powerplay that is unlikely to repeat and they need to rely more on a goalie who's proven he can't take a full starter workload because of the fact they re-signed Mike Smith.

And even that ignores the fact that the Flames top players are coming off of massive down years and that any form of a bounceback to their norms puts them ahead of the Canucks and Oilers last year (12 extra points from Gaudreau in the same time frame, 20 more from Monahan are easily worth an extra 4 points in the standings)

It is also interesting you are blatantly under the impression that both Edmonton and Vancouver were so much better than Calgary despite the fact they were 2-3-4 in the Pacific standings, with at worst it being an 83-82-81 points spread between the three teams at 71 games. They were incredibly even so acting like they need to 'sneak in' after their improvements is a fools errand.

Even or not... habe you heard of trends?? It's very basic bockey IQ knowledge that Vancouver is trending up and at a high pace.. Edmonton a bit slower but heading in the right direction. Calgary is neutral or taking a step back.. Edmonton got better this off season.. yes Calgary fans that sucks to say but the Oilers will be better... Vancouver will be better.. Vegas st Louis Colorado Dallas all better ... thats leaves the flames fighting with Nashville and winnipeg ( if format stays same) for a playoff spot.. not a easy task as many view winnipeg ahead . Again losing brodie will be felt. Can the goaltending finally come through? What Johnny G shows up? His value took a nose dive last season

 

[SmellOfVictory]

3 years ago, Brodie had the clear edge. However, Brodie has also been inconsistent through the years. Meanwhile, Tanev has slowly developed into a steady warrior of a d-man. The major issue with Tanev is injuries.

Tanev obviously doesn't have the offensive upside of Brodie, but with Andersson, Valimaki, and Kylington taking larger roles, that issue should be addressed. Tanev also brings a much more physical presence.

With Markstrom and Tanev on the back end, the Flames will be a lot more confident, and we'll see the whole team play better.

Tanev has slowly developed into a worse version of himself. Tanev might be better at the physical aspects of defending, but Brodie's a much better skater, infinitely better in transition, and still has good defensive instincts and a very good stick. I'd take Brodie over Tanev 10 times out of 10, even at an extra 500k/year.