In an alternate world, Sakic traded Duchene before last season for a defender, we still ended up having a season like we did, and everyone wants Sakic fired for trading Duchene.
In an alternate world, Sakic traded Duchene before last season for a defender, we still ended up having a season like we did, and everyone wants Sakic fired for trading Duchene.
Who's the president of the US in this alternate world? I might be inclined to move.
Sakic.
In an alternate world, Sakic traded Duchene before last season for a defender, we still ended up having a season like we did, and everyone wants Sakic fired for trading Duchene.
In an alternate world, Sakic traded Duchene before last season for a defender, we still ended up having a season like we did, and everyone wants Sakic fired for trading Duchene.
Depends on the return. Having say Chabot right now wouldn't cause a lot of pitchforks.
Hurts my heart every time I see that name.
Yes Chabot would look great now as part of a Duchene trade but in Sakic's defense Chabot wasn't even close to look the way he currently looks. He hadn't broken out yet. There were a lot of ?s in his game at the time so I can see why he turned it down if it was offered in the first place.
Plenty were fans of his and would have done that deal. Especially given the other piece that came with him. I would bet the Avs amateur scouts were big fans of Chabot too. Right in their wheelhouse style wise and league wise.
Maybe not as big as you think as they didn't take the deal and run.Plenty were fans of his and would have done that deal. Especially given the other piece that came with him. I would bet the Avs amateur scouts were big fans of Chabot too. Right in their wheelhouse style wise and league wise.
Really? I'm actually okay with the guy they picked in 2015.
Maybe not as big as you think as they didn't take the deal and run.
What were the other pieces of that offer anyway? I forgot.
I know it wasn't. I meant the Avs when I said "they".It wasn't their call to make, Sakic had the final say and refused a Zibby + Chabot deal.
I know it wasn't. I meant the Avs when I said "they".
As I said there were ?s about Chabot as it was before he broke out. There were also ?s about Zibby at the time. He just had a pretty good season but people weren't sure if he was finally becoming the player they were expecting him to be. Duchene just had a 30-goal season as well. It was not as easy a decision as some here making out to be.
He did with Zadorov in the ROR trade or at least we Avs fans believe it as well so why can't he do it again? I am not asking for an easy decision but I also don't want him to trade for the sake of trading him. If the return is not good then he might as well wait later when the return will be almost as much as it is now if not more if Duchene rebounds which most of us believe he will. And I don't buy that crap that he must trade him now because of locker room issue/awkwardness and so forth. They are pros...they can deal with it.And that's the problem. You guys and Sakic are looking for an easy decision. A fair trade isn't going to be easy to make. And we sure as hell are not getting a massive overpayment for Duchene, especially now.
This also shows Sakic's inability to recognize defensive talent before said person breaks out. The scouts recognized it. As did Roy.
That's my point about Z. Even if he was in the NHL already he hadn't broken out yet but he targeted a dman that had a lot of potential. Z had already broken out at the junior level though when he traded for him but not the NHL. At the time of the offer Chabot hadn't broken out in junior yet and he hadn't played one single game in the NHL yet and still hasn't. A lot more risk there. Don't act like you know for a fact that Chabot's success in junior will translate to the NHL. Nobody knows.Zadorov was already in the NHL, and he hasn't exactly broken out either.
Roy recognized that Chabot was about to take his game to the next level.
We are talking about a good deal that Sakic passed on because he can't identify which prospect is going to explode, despite others in the org wanting to do it. Don't act like he isn't getting good deals.
And you are kidding yourself if you think Duchene rebounding is going to increase his value. The only thing that will increase his value is signing an extension, which I doubt he does other than with Nashville.
As for being pros, how did that work out last year?
No not yet but he is showing promises. Hopefully he takes the next step this year.Has Zadorov broke out?
Zads is on the cusp of breaking out, you can see some good things but he needs to do those things more consistently to be considered broken out.
That's my point about Z. Even if he was in the NHL already he hadn't broken out yet but he targeted a dman that had a lot of potential. Z had already broken out at the junior level though when he traded for him but not the NHL. At the time of the offer Chabot hadn't broken out in junior yet and he hadn't played one single game in the NHL yet and still hasn't. A lot more risk there. Don't act like you know for a fact that Chabot's success in junior will translate to the NHL. Nobody knows.
Do you have a link that shows that Roy recognized Chabot as about to take his game to the next level? Unless I missed something Roy might have been the one refusing the deal.
I'm not acting like it is not a good deal. All I said was that right now it looks as it would be a very good deal but still no sure thing as Chabot as yet to play one NHL game. At the time it was even riskier. Don't put word in my mouth please.
As for the pro comment...new season hopefully new attitude. They were embarrassed last year. Not too hard to imagine that they will want to change that regardless of who is on the team.
No not yet but he is showing promises. Hopefully he takes the next step this year.
Edit: correction...Chabot has played one NHL game.
All I was saying was that I can see why Sakic refused the trade as there was more risk in Chabot's game at that time than there is now. Now I'm asking for a "sure thing" return in a Duchene deal. Ok then. I have no problem with my team's GM to take calculated risk but if the return for Duchene is weak then we might as well wait for him to rebound and/or being able to sign an extension which should also help with the return. Is he afraid to take a risk? Probably. I think the ROR trade created that with all the negative comments from the media. Should he let that affect his judgement? Of course not but it is human nature to have public opinion affect judgement. If he can't get what he wants by next year, I'm sure he will take the best future package he can get...at least I hope he does.And my point is that Z is basically as valuable then as he is now. Z proves nothing towards Sakic's ability to tell which young prospects/players are going to tap into their potential. If anything, people are cooling off on Zadorov's ceiling and looking at him as more of just another top4 Dman than some guy who could turn into a #1. Regardless, it's not like Sakic had any other choice than to deal with Buffalo who had a major hard on for O'Reilly and made an it "an easy decision" for Sakic.
Where in the world did I say that Chabot's success would in fact translate?
Of course there is risk. That's the whole point. Sakic cant take a risk. And you Sakic apologists seem to be right there with him. You claim you are not asking for an easy decision, but you defend Sakic because it's not an easy decision and because it's "not a sure thing". You can't have it both ways. You can't say you are not asking for an easy decision then turn around and defend Sakic because it wasn't an easy decision or a sure thing.
Yes, you are missing something. Sakic shot down that deal.