Rumor: Jets interested in Subban?

[Lux Aurumque*]

Opinions are like *******s. Everybody has one.

 

[Bob E]

^ Name me 5 that are better. Hint: Bogosian is not one of them.

I don't hate Kane. If you did any research, you'd know that I have been a VERY vocal supporter of Kane for a very long time. I still support him, but Subban is MUCH more useful to this team than Kane is.

We don't need Kane. We need a guy like Subban: one of the league's best young players.

I would definitely take Bogo over PK. But, to each his own.

Karlsson
Weber (or is he too old for you?)
Pietrangelo
Letang
Doughty
Edler

I'd even add J Schultz to a 'better that PK' list.

IMO, if acquiring PK would cost ANY of Kane, Bogo or Trouba, i'd pass.

 

[Sweech]

I would definitely take Bogo over PK. But, to each his own.

Karlsson
Weber (or is he too old for you?)
Pietrangelo
Letang
Doughty
Edler

I'd even add J Schultz to a 'better that PK' list.

IMO, if acquiring PK would cost ANY of Kane, Bogo or Trouba, i'd pass.

OEL is easily one of thee best young defenseman in the league. Easily better than PK.

 

[Bob E]

OEL is easily one of thee best young defenseman in the league. Easily better than PK.

Agreed. Missed him.

Was just thinking of guys off the top of my head.

I'd add Gudbranson to a list of young dmen i would want before PK, too. Not saying he's better at this point, just i would want him on the Jets before PK.

 

[garret9]

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We don't need Kane. We need a guy like Subban: one of the league's best young players.

I would agree that:
Subban is a phenomenal young talent.
Subban is currently better than Bogosian (but it's helluva lot closer than MTL fans like to think and I'm hoping post-surgery will be even closer or better).
Everyone has opinions... including yourself.

But, I would disagree with other points and say:
We do need Kane... He's the only guy we can throw on a #1 line and it be a "true" above-average #1 line... Ladd, Jokinen and Little are more high-end 2nd liners... Wheeler can be a piece but won't carry the line.
I hate one-dimensional; it's a terrible phrase. Kane has strengths and weaknesses like every other frigin NHLer out there... including Subban. You play players in the right situations and manners to their strengths and you have no problem.
Subban for Kane to me is a lateral movement for the Jets due to just pushing our needs/strengths from one position to another.

 

[Bob E]

^You think Kane is worth more than Yakupov?!?!

There isn't a single player in the Jets system that is worth Yakupov.

If Chevy offered Kane for Yak, straight up, to Steve T... you think the Oil wouldn't think long and hard about that?

Within three years, either of Kane, Bogo and Trouba might be more valuable players and the Oilers would love to move Yak, for any of them. You don't know.

My comment was, a Subban for Yak deal (with other parts) may make more sense than a PK trade to the Jets. Yak can play with Gally and the Oilers get another NHL dman, which they have few of. Makes more sense than trading PK to the Jets where adding a $4-5 million dman, with Trouba in the wings, makes little sense, imo. Why tie up $23+ million of your cap on a few dmen?

 

[Gil Fisher]

Scheifele, Postma and a second rounder get it done? It's a decent premium on the draft pick compensation.

 

[JetsFan815]

I would gladly trade Kane for Subban, one for one.

Never before has someone said so little yet been so wrong.

 

[CorgisPer60]

If Chevy offered Kane for Yak, straight up, to Steve T... you think the Oil wouldn't think long and hard about that?

Within three years, either of Kane, Bogo and Trouba might be more valuable players and the Oilers would love to move Yak, for any of them. You don't know.

My comment was, a Subban for Yak deal (with other parts) may make more sense than a PK trade to the Jets. Yak can play with Gally and the Oilers get another NHL dman, which they have few of. Makes more sense than trading PK to the Jets where adding a $4-5 million dman, with Trouba in the wings, makes little sense, imo. Why tie up $23+ million of your cap on a few dmen?

The Oil are skilled, but small and weak up front. You think they wouldn't love a power forward like Kane?

 

[StronGeer]

To Winnipeg:
PK Subban

To Montreal:
Ron Hainsey
2013 2nd round pick (CHI)
2013 3rd round pick (CHI)

Thanks for playing.

 

[Bob E]

The Oil are skilled, but small and weak up front. You think they wouldn't love a power forward like Kane?

I agree. I'm saying they would love to get Kane, even if Yak went the other way. I don't think the Jets would make that move though.

 

[CorgisPer60]

I agree. I'm saying they would love to get Kane, even if Yak went the other way. I don't think the Jets would make that move though.

I was agreeing with you in your argument. I can really see the Oil making a move of Hall or Eberle to gain some speed and strength up front.

 

[JetsFan815]

I was agreeing with you in your argument. I can really see the Oil making a move of Hall or Eberle to gain some speed and strength up front.

I agree. That team is so soft that Mikael Backlund of all people was crashing the net and pushing them around the other day

 

[tntkid]

PK Subban is overrated & arrogant.

Montreal can keep him.

 

[KingBogo]

I really don't get why the Jets would be interested in Subban. Right shooting defense is our area of least need. We have the unique and lovable offensive machine in Buff, a fan fovorite and budding star in Bogo, and arguably the best d-man prospect in hockey with Trouba.

If Chevy wants to make a splash and obtain an impact player wouldn't it make much more sense to actually get one at a position of need?

 

[HockeyH3aven]

Never before has someone said so little yet been so wrong.

How is that wrong? He literally sad "I would do it". The only way he's "wrong" is if he's lying and would actually make that trade if he were the GM.

 

[Huffer]

I really don't see how the Jets are interested in Subban. And that has nothing to do with Subban the player, or the person.

Would a top 4 of Enstrom, Buff, Bogo, and Subban be absolutely amazing? For sure. But to have that top 4, what do we have to sacrifice? And by sacrifice, I mean both in terms of what we would need to send to Montreal, and secondly, what would we have to sacrifice from a team contract / salary standpoint to make it work?

Would we be sending one of our forwards? If not, a top prospect like Scheifele or Trouba? If it's a forward (Little, Burmistrov, etc), do we have enough forward depth to make it worthwhile? Kane? Why would the Jets trade Kane? We have Bogo and Trouba as young defensive studs and studs in training. Who would we have as a young forward stud if we traded Kane?

And from a cap perspective, how would the cap look in a year or two when all 4 D (Enstrom, Buff, Bogo, Subban) are making 5 million plus? Could we fill out a competitive forward group to go along with that?

That's a reason why I don't see why we would want to deal Trouba. At some point in the next 2-3 years, Bogosian is going to get a raise, but when Trouba joins the team he's going to be on an ELC. That is one thing I think GM's need to manage to make serious cup runs. I think you need to have a few guys either on ELC's or low 2nd contracts that are OUTPLAYING those deals.

Nothing against Subban, I just don't see how it fits organizationally.

 

[truck]

PK is the #1 D in Mtl and he would be on a number of other teams. He would probably be a #1 Phi, Det, Tor, NYI, Car, Cgy, Tampa, NJ, Col, Dal, Edm, Fla and maybe SJ or Min. He would be a #1B in a couple other spots.

PK is a fabulous player, but he would be an oddly placed 3/4 here. If he was a left D, he and Bogo would be an amazing pair, but I can't see the Jets giving up what it takes to get him, especially when when a number of teams would use and value him as a #1.

 

[cheswick]

Never before has someone said so little yet been so wrong.

He said he would gladly trade Kane for Subban. How can that be a wrong statement? You're saying he wouldn't gladly do that? He's lying to us? How can you possibly know what he would gladly do?

 

[bain19]

 

[bud12]

pk is worth more then you want to offer.no way the habs deal him for quantity. Kane, Bogo, Scheifele, Trouba, 1st are pieces that you will have to offer to get him....

 

[Le Golie]

pk is worth more then you want to offer.no way the habs deal him for quantity. Kane, Bogo, Scheifele, Trouba, 1st are pieces that you will have to offer to get him....

Offer sheet. Mid 1st round pick, mid third round pick. That's it.

 

[Bob E]

Offer sheet. Mid 1st round pick, mid third round pick. That's it.

I can't imagine the habs not matcing. I don't mind acquiring Subban under this scenario (offer sheet), but not by giving up a young piece that you've drafted, like Kane, Bogo or Trouba.

 

[buggs]

I really don't see how the Jets are interested in Subban. And that has nothing to do with Subban the player, or the person.

Would a top 4 of Enstrom, Buff, Bogo, and Subban be absolutely amazing? For sure. But to have that top 4, what do we have to sacrifice? And by sacrifice, I mean both in terms of what we would need to send to Montreal, and secondly, what would we have to sacrifice from a team contract / salary standpoint to make it work?

Would we be sending one of our forwards? If not, a top prospect like Scheifele or Trouba? If it's a forward (Little, Burmistrov, etc), do we have enough forward depth to make it worthwhile? Kane? Why would the Jets trade Kane? We have Bogo and Trouba as young defensive studs and studs in training. Who would we have as a young forward stud if we traded Kane?

And from a cap perspective, how would the cap look in a year or two when all 4 D (Enstrom, Buff, Bogo, Subban) are making 5 million plus? Could we fill out a competitive forward group to go along with that?

That's a reason why I don't see why we would want to deal Trouba. At some point in the next 2-3 years, Bogosian is going to get a raise, but when Trouba joins the team he's going to be on an ELC. That is one thing I think GM's need to manage to make serious cup runs. I think you need to have a few guys either on ELC's or low 2nd contracts that are OUTPLAYING those deals.

Nothing against Subban, I just don't see how it fits organizationally.

Have to agree with all of this. No knock on Subban at all, he's a tremendous talent and would help the Jets. But the cost would be too damaging initially in the forwards/picks it would remove from the team and going forward in terms of the cost against the cap. We just couldn't afford to keep our top four D.

 

[wpgsilver]

I think P.K. is a good young player with nice potential. I just don't see us having a need for him to fill. Whatever it takes to get him would CREATE a team need. Ultimately acquiring him would make us worse overall IMO.