GDT: Jets @ Devils 7 PM Because it's on the Schedule too

[NjDevsRR]

Am I missing something here.... seriously I feel like I am missing something.

It seems we are talking passed each other....you just said that if you are going to play low event hockey it's important to score first...which I agree with.

But that seems to contradict the timing...if you are constantly taking 30 minutes to score...theoretically you are giving the other team much more opportunity to take the lead....no? I feel like that's obvious.... I'm not even busting balls here...I don't see how you don't see taking 30 minutes to score isn't a problem?

See my reply. It’s extremely odd to be harping on this when this literally occurred last night:

Yesterdays local games:

Devils Jets
Rangers Bruins
Flyers Canes
Islanders Red Wings

One first period goal was scored in all four games combined. It was by the Bruins. They lost.

Womp

Oh, and its hockey. Its HOCKEY. For crying out loud its hockey. A sport that puts every team through weird stretches based on luck alone. You keep talking about not scoring 30 mins in like thats the new norm for the team. It’s not. Stuff like this doesn’t last forever. The one constant that matters is pushing play forward and getting more chances than the opponent. Do that consistently and everything falls into place and all of this is just noise.

 

[Triumph]

Am I missing something here.... seriously I feel like I am missing something.

It seems we are talking passed each other....you just said that if you are going to play low event hockey it's important to score first...which I agree with.

But that seems to contradict the timing...if you are constantly taking 30 minutes to score...theoretically you are giving the other team much more opportunity to take the lead....no? I feel like that's obvious.... I'm not even busting balls here...I don't see how you don't see taking 30 minutes to score isn't a problem?

It's not a problem because I do not believe it is a real issue. The Devils are shooting 5.4% with the score at 0-0. It's a small sample size, but I see no reason for it to continue - the Devils are obviously shooting far higher at any other common game state. They need to start games better, but the early goals will start coming. Playing that sort of first period is absolutely fine.

 

[JimEIV]

See my reply. It’s extremely odd to be harping on this when this literally occurred last night:




Oh, and its hockey. Its HOCKEY. For crying out loud its hockey. A sport that puts every team through weird stretches based on luck alone. You keep talking about not scoring 30 mins in like thats the new norm for the team. It’s not. Stuff like this doesn’t last forever. The one constant that matters is pushing play forward and getting more chances than the opponent. Do that consistently and everything falls into place and all of this is just noise.

I can't speak for those teams but I don't think all of them have the historic slow starts and trouble scoring first like we do?

I don't think any of them set a league record for allowing the first goal 49 times like we did either....so in essence I think we aren't really talking about the same things?

 

[NjDevsRR]

I can't speak for those teams but I don't think all of them have the historic slow starts and trouble scoring first like we do?

I don't think any of them set a league record for allowing the first goal 49 times like we did either....so in essence I think we aren't really talking about the same things?

I mean, I just gave you 3 different games from last night alone…but let’s continue I guess. The Leafs have scored 14 goals in their last 3 gms. They have ONE first period goal in that stretch.

Ooo, this a good one. The Florida Panthers have not scored a first period goal in their last SIX games.


This stuff happens everywhere man.

 

[JimEIV]

It's not a problem because I do not believe it is a real issue. The Devils are shooting 5.4% with the score at 0-0. It's a small sample size, but I see no reason for it to continue - the Devils are obviously shooting far higher at any other common game state. They need to start games better, but the early goals will start coming. Playing that sort of first period is absolutely fine.

You don't believe it's a real issue?

You may not agree on the how or why but we are literally the worst team in league history at giving up the first goal of the game....it certainly is an issue.

 

[Bcap88]

It does happen....it happened just last year with Jack Eichel leading Vegas with 66 points....kind of where I got the idea

Won the Cup and had a regular season record of 51-22-9 (111 points), Finished 1st in the Pacific with a 66 point leading scorer.

But you are basically correct. It was really just more of a hypothetical.

Eichel only played 67 games last year

There’s just to much scoring going around for a team to sustain a top scorer of 60 ish points

Considering there’s going to be 5-7 100 point scorers this year and a ton of players averaging over a ppg compared to 20 years ago

 

[NjDevsRR]

Since the Panthers have zero goals in their last six games combined, I must conclude that they suck and have no chance at succeeding this season. Shame!

 

[Triumph]

You don't believe it's a real issue?

You may not agree on the how or why but we are literally the worst team in league history at giving up the first goal of the game....it certainly is an issue.

They're not the worst team in league history, and also the issue is mostly with the goaltending and bad shooting luck. Both of these things can be resolved.

 

[JimEIV]

I mean, I just gave you 3 different games from last night alone…but let’s continue I guess. The Leafs have scored 14 goals in their last 3 gms

They have one first period goal in that stretch.


Ooo, this a good one. The Florida Panthers have not scored a first period goal in their last SIX games.


This stuff happens everywhere man.

Again...this is not about 1st period goals ...this is where I think you missing what I am saying. This is more about not scoring first ...and I'm saying the longer we take to score first, the more opportunity to fall behind.

You're making a completely different point about scoring in the first period. I also personally don't believe that we have the defense to shut games down for a long period of time.... I think that's a losing battle for this team and how it's currently constructed.

 

[NjDevsRR]

 

[Xirik]

Them Hughe's sure get teased a lot. You can tell Jack has been here longer as he's just done and letting them just do what they want.

 

[Guttersniped]

Im not sure why it takes so long for this team to get going but it was the same thing last night. Dead in the first, came alive in the second, didn't score for 30 minutes...this is a trend that needs to be fixed

If we need our goaltender to hold us in games for 30+ minutes until we can score we're in trouble. It's fine to ask a goalie to do that every once in awhile but it's so common for this team to take 20/30 minutes to do something.

We did fine in the 1st period considering they had 2 PPs and we had none.

It was a shockingly pleasant surprise to see us cash in on our first PP and get the 1st goal. It was unfortunate we couldn’t get a bigger lead in the 2nd, and was a bummer when they tied it, but we were playing a team that leads the NHL with 2.36 GA/GP.

And having a goaltender who can do his job is a nice change of pace. They’re was a point at the end of the 2nd where the Jets had a scoring opportunity and I remember think that was exactly when the Bad Version of Vanecek would give up crushing late period goal.

Sure, ideally you immediately score a bunch of goals while completely shutting down the other team the entire game, but that’s not a realistic expectation.

I don’t see how one period of even matched hockey against a top team is asking the world of a goalie, especially when he never has to play from behind.


1st Period: All Situations

1st Period: 5v5

1st Period: 5v5 adjusted

2nd Period: All Situations

2nd: 5v5

2nd: 5v5 adjusted

Winnipeg Jets @ New Jersey Devils, 2024-03-21

 

[Camille the Eel]

I'm very encouraged with what Luke has done the last two games. It shows he hasn't let the struggles weigh him down.

Credit where it is due, whether by design or not, the PP is starting to break through. If that is due to Green letting things open up a bit for the players to move around more fluidly, more power to him.

The rotating, that had Bratt and Meyer working back up top at times and guys switching positions, was very impressive last night. Had not seen that done effectively all year, even early in the season.

Also the battling to keep possession of the puck or retrieval when it got loose. I thought Luke especially handled the pressure up top better, actually winning a one on one battle with a defender who tried to muscle him off.

Plus we won practically every face-off on all four power plays.

 

[RNCDevil]

After Lowry cheapshotted Luke, I found myself wishing there was a player like that on the Devils. Then Timo decided he was going to be that player and it felt like his teammates followed suit.

I most happy for the guys and the captain that they can start answering some different, non-depressing, questions post game.

Also, how stupid is NHL officiating when they blow that Bratt call and then call a makeup call right after. It's just become stupid for everyone.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I don’t think Allen needed to say anything other than “no”. I doubt Fitz was given a reason. And while Allen says playing time was the issue, it could have been a lot of things. He / his family may have liked it in Montreal. So, he could have just said, I don’t want to move in December.


Wow - I wonder how long this site can stay in business. The intrusive video ads while posting on a phone make this site almost impossible to use. They must be desperate for revenue.

Yeah, as much as we want to be selfish, it's probably a living hell to move around the holidays. I'm sure it wasn't on their minds at that point. It is what it is, Fitz tried and it didn't work with both targets this year. I'd argue firing Lindy would've given this team a coaching bump earlier in the year when the season was 100% salvageable.

 

[glenwo2]

After Lowry cheapshotted Luke, I found myself wishing there was a player like that on the Devils. Then Timo decided he was going to be that player and it felt like his teammates followed suit.

I most happy for the guys and the captain that they can start answering some different, non-depressing, questions post game.

Also, how stupid is NHL officiating when they blow that Bratt call and then call a makeup call right after. It's just become stupid for everyone.

It's like they did not want to call a Penalty Shot but was like "You get a normal PP and like it!".

 

[Triumph]

After Lowry cheapshotted Luke, I found myself wishing there was a player like that on the Devils. Then Timo decided he was going to be that player and it felt like his teammates followed suit.

I most happy for the guys and the captain that they can start answering some different, non-depressing, questions post game.

Also, how stupid is NHL officiating when they blow that Bratt call and then call a makeup call right after. It's just become stupid for everyone.

I will say that while I think there's times that interference is not called, it would've led to a Jets 2 on 1 or maybe even a 3 on 1. It's a legit call but maybe isn't called if they don't miss that really obvious penalty shot call.

 

[Devs3cups]

Them Hughe's sure get teased a lot. You can tell Jack has been here longer as he's just done and letting them just do what they want.

BIG DOUGIE SIGHTING!

 

[Xirik]

BIG DOUGIE SIGHTING!

Wonder how much of a purple nurple he still has.

 

[glenwo2]

Wonder how much of a purple nurple he still has.

who knows?

 

[Bleedred]

Yeah, as much as we want to be selfish, it's probably a living hell to move around the holidays. I'm sure it wasn't on their minds at that point. It is what it is, Fitz tried and it didn't work with both targets this year. I'd argue firing Lindy would've given this team a coaching bump earlier in the year when the season was 100% salvageable.

I'm still highly skeptical firing Lindy only to replace him with Green would have really led to a coaching bump earlier in the year.

But I also have said this roster probably cannot be FUBAR'd by Ruff (or probably Green), but that's also contingent on us being mostly healthy. And not having Vitek the coward play as much as he did, or the two kids, because they aren't really good enough (yet) either.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I'm still highly skeptical firing Lindy only to replace him with Green would have really led to a coaching bump earlier in the year.

But I also have said this roster probably cannot be FUBAR'd by Ruff (or probably Green), but that's also contingent on us being mostly healthy. And not having Vitek the coward play as much as he did, or the two kids, because they aren't really good enough (yet) either.

You wouldn't hire Green in that case, it would've been a long term hire like the Oilers and Isles did. Woodcroft with a goalie trade (can't fault Fitz here as much anymore) would've been the best option and they're probably in the playoffs with those 2 moves