Player Discussion: Jets are on right track (mostly) [Mod: Roster Discussion]

Male75FromFinland

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I always look at teams and think that how many players they have already for Stanley Cup run. It looks like Jets are just couple of players away for seriously making push for it. One thing they are lacking is experience.

Hellebyuck:

Almost everybody is saying that Hellebyuck is totally different goalie than last season, but to me this is just one step to the right direction. Last season he already looked like goalie who can win cup for the Jets some day. To me he has played little better than last season, but has had much better defense to play with. People don't realize that half of last seasons minutes he was playing with Byfuglien on the ice with him. He has had couple games where he has looked out of gas and Jets should make sure he will have enough energy when playoffs start. Jets should make long term deal with him.

Mason:

He has not been as good as he could be, and I was surprised how he lost confidence as quickly and how long he had to work to get it back. Now he is almost at level I expect him to be. I was surprised how long contract Jets made with him, with Comrie in the system already.

Morrissey:

Exceptional ability to read the play and make the right play with or without the puck. One of the underrated defensive specialists in NHL and one of the better all around young defenseman in game. He would be best quarterback to run jets power play if would have chance to show what he does. Morrissey understands that making simple right plays over and over is winning formula for defenseman. Jets should make 8 year deal with him.

Trouba:

Has gotten better with his poise, but still sometimes tries to do too much to make sure he is noticed. But sad truth is there is nothing he can do to get ice time he deserves from Byfuglien. Strong with the puck, has simplified his play on own. On Powerplay that poise did show, he was trying to do too much to show everybody that he is best right handed defenseman for the job. Miss use of Trouba is showing with his poise and Jets should give him toughest assignments both ends of the ice to see what he is capable with. Before that it is hard to know how big and long deal he deserves.

Myers:

Big and mobile, has shown that can run 2nd Powerplay and be solid defensively. Remember last season before his injury he was best defenseman of Jets (Trouba was out) and after almost whole year of not playing he is playing solid game both ends. Second pair defenseman with little upside for the next 10 years.

Enstrom:

Underrated calming presence who is usually only defenseman trying to figure out how he can be in two places at the same time. Can make that easy play out of zone and has still good vision to make great passes. Sacrifices his small body different ways with taking hits and blocking shots. One year deal would be right choice with him. May show how valuable he really is when playoffs starts. He can also play on right Side if needed.

Kulikov:

Watched his every game could of years ago the he was playing with the Panthers, and it seems like he has lost his mobility a little and thats why he is not as physical as he was. Back then was amazing in shut down pair with Gudbransson who could be available from Vancouver............

Chiarot:

Underrated!!! Graig Ludwig once said to rookie Derian Hatcher: If you wanna be defensive defenseman and you like something that you do, thens to it. Well days have changed and every defenseman is expected to be mobile and join attack, but Chiarot knows his limitations and plays only for what he has got, thats all we can ask from him. Can play excellent positional play in own zone and can kill penalties. Good fit for 7th defenseman.

Poolman:

Mixed feelings with this one. He played mistake free hockey, got puck out of zone and supported rushes but I am not sure has he got future in NHL. But this kind of player can become hugely important when Jets need replacements from AHL.

Byfuglien:

Two seasons ago I started to watch Jets and I was exited about the fact that Jets have Byfuglien. I love big defenseman, and I believe defense should be built so that there is enough size to match anybody. But then again every defenseman should be you know a defenseman. Usually playing defenseman is not fun, you have to keep your position and not to take changes. You have to do some simple thing over and over and over again. That is if you care about team. Jets number one Powerplay needs somebody who can get puck to zone so that Powerplay can set up. It also needs somebody who can move puck fast, smart and under pressure. It also needs somebody who can shoot low with puck getting to net. Byfuglien cant provide any of those things. 5 on 5 He plays neutral zone aggressive, too aggressive all the time. Defensive zone he will leave his position to chase puck to blue line. With him in line up Jets will be entertaining, but is that the thing Jets are aiming for. Time to move on and build Stanley cup winning team. Reality is that with his performance and salary, it might be impossible to trade him. No Oilers don't want him, that need somebody to run their Powerplay. Jets wont win single playoff round with him in lineup. Without him they are challenging Predators, Penguins, Leafs, Ducks or anybody in this league for Stanley cup series victory.

Scheifele:

Nightmare for opponents. He can skate, he will battle, he has strength, amazing underrated shot and he wants to improve. And he will. Protects puck extremely well and is improving his playmaking. He should play with Laine after he comes back. One of the best contracts in NHL.

Wheeler:

Mentally has done same thing that Foligno has done for Blue Jackets. Wheeler leads by example. Might not be smartest guy on offensive zone, but he sure has attitude. What makes him so valuable is play in own zone. He should play as center from now on to make Little drop to 3rd line. Little would be great 3rd line center but he cant win matchup in playoffs against opponents 1st and 2nd line. Wheeler should not be playmaker on Powerplay.

Little:

He is doing many things right but he is struggling in own zone. Maybe its lack of size or lack of communication. If Wheeler returns to wing, he should play with Little to lift his confidence. Last season he was also better at creating scoring chances now he seem to have hurry all the time.

Lowry:

Perfect bottom six center. Big, good at face-offs, Kills penalties, Hits and destroys. Playoff hero for the Jets first Stanley Cup.

Copp:

Mistake free versatile player. Another perfect bottom six player. Much smarter that people realize. Wont make anything exceptional, but gets the job done.

Connor:

Has potential to stay in top six whole career, because of his skating and creativity. Sometimes forgets how important role he has and how opponent have usually their top players on ice against him. Good fit for Jets hard skating forecheck system.

Laine:

This kid has maybe best shot in game since Brett Hull, he has underrated vision, physically he is beast for his age. But best thing about this kid is that he is winner. He does not care anything else but winning. We aint seen nothing yet. What does this guy do when Jets will give him quarterback to play with. How about playoff series 5 years form now with opponents trying to match strength and skill of Laine and Scheifele.

Ehlers:

One of the most exiting players to watch in neutral zone when he has puck. Trying to do all by himself but he has tools for it. Its funny to think that he might have just scratched surface of what he can do with the puck. I liked him better last season when he was passing puck, but how can you deny him keeping the puck? Somebody should tell him to toughen up, it looks like he will get injured dozen times in one game.

Perreault:

If he plays with passion like he has after injury this season and like he did end of last season, he is valuable to this team. If not he is not. Its that simple. He is skilled and should be playmaker of first Powerplay for now.

Armia:

He has earned a change to play in top six. He is big, skilled and can play against opponents top lines. Wheeler stays as center and Armia will play in top six. (to make 3rd line whit Ehlers scariest 3rd line in game)

Tanev:

Pure and simple this guy brings energy to Jets and kills penalties, will do anything to win.

Hendrics:

Great with face-offs and penalty killing, slow on even strenght. Wont hurt the team even with that skating.

Roslovic:

Nothing to blame about. Because of his skating everything seemed easy and effortless. Poor mans Barzal???

Matthias:

Last season he was valuable as 3rd line grinder, now right role is to replace players when injuries occur. Jets should keep him for the playoffs. It is good to have big, mistake free veteran who can kill penalties in press box.

Dano:

He is almost NHL player, but then again what is his special skill.

Jets should try to get one top 9 forward and McQuaid, Gudbransson type defenseman before trade deadline.
 

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Dude you are absolutely wrong when it comes to Buff , you hate the guy so you never see or want too see all the good things he does . All defenseman make some mistakes , not just Buff . So according to you we couldn't get anyone to trade for Buff , i don't even know how to respond to that . The Jets would be a better team if we just cut Buff and played Poolman and Charoit , okeydokey . :shakehead
 

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First of all, don't apologize for you english, it is better than some Canadians I know :)

This is a great write up and I appreciate the time you took on this. I also agree with about 90% of what you wrote. A couple of things I disagree with, but that's why we're here. I won't nit pick the disagreement parts.
 

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Buff just needs to adjust his Good Buff to Bad Buff ratio.

It wasn't a good look when he came back. Immediately stupid penalties etc. after the team was on a solid win streak.

I also don't like what he brings to the PP. It's great that he scored his first goal midway through the season, but how many plays were wasted for that achievement? With Laine standing next to him... I get that we should have a secondary scoring threat, but it should be just that, secondary. Not 50-50. Or then score more. Not this.

Buff is like Wheeler, dumb plays and penalties quite frequently. Difference is that Wheeler is always awesome in-between those dumb plays. Buff is awesome just sometimes. Just my 2 cents anyway.
 

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When I saw a thread titled "Jets are on right track (mostly)" started by Man75fromFinland, without even clicking on the thread I fully expected the thesis of this thread to be "Jets are an overall great team and the only thing holding them back is Buff and they are not going anywhere with him in the lineup". When I opened this thread, I learned that I was right ;) :sarcasm:
 

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I agree with almost everything you said here. Really good post man your English is fine. I agree Buff is the chink in our armour defensively and will likely cost us. But if he has his head on straight he could be Conn Smythe lol... If we can trade him in the off season the cap space it will create would make it an amazing move. Like dumping Bogosian...

I like trying to keep Wheeler at center as well... It will only get easier for him when Scheif is back. I agree Armia could play top six wing. Throw Perreault in that mix too. Keep Laine on line one with Scheif. Hopefully playing so much with Little will keep his contract down :laugh:

Agree completely about Morrissey as PP QB. He will grow into it and be better than anyone else on the point.
 

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Sorry (again) my bad English

I always look at teams and think that how many players they have already for Stanley Cup run. It looks like Jets are just couple of players away for seriously making push for it. One thing they are lacking is experience.

Byfuglien:

Two seasons ago I started to watch Jets and I was exited about the fact that Jets have Byfuglien. I love big defenseman, and I believe defense should be built so that there is enough size to match anybody. But then again every defenseman should be you know a defenseman. Usually playing defenseman is not fun, you have to keep your position and not to take changes. You have to do some simple thing over and over and over again. That is if you care about team. Jets number one Powerplay needs somebody who can get puck to zone so that Powerplay can set up. It also needs somebody who can move puck fast, smart and under pressure. It also needs somebody who can shoot low with puck getting to net. Byfuglien cant provide any of those things. 5 on 5 He plays neutral zone aggressive, too aggressive all the time. Defensive zone he will leave his position to chase puck to blue line. With him in line up Jets will be entertaining, but is that the thing Jets are aiming for. Time to move on and build Stanley cup winning team. Reality is that with his performance and salary, it might be impossible to trade him. No Oilers don't want him, that need somebody to run their Powerplay. Jets wont win single playoff round with him in lineup. Without him they are challenging Predators, Penguins, Leafs, Ducks or anybody in this league for Stanley cup series victory.

I appreciate the effort you put into the post but say I fall closer to 50% agreeing with your assessments.
Lots of points I would say you are partially or completely off on.
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Which 50%?

  • Mason contract was intentionally timed to coincide with Comrie's waiver status.
  • Trouba has been playing more the Buff on several nights
  • Myers season and games haven't all been rosey. He has huge swings from good to bad. Plenty of games where he failed multiple times to clear a puck or complete a pass. Other games where his skating has terrorized teams.
  • Enstrom playoff value? Huh? Enstrom's style doesn't really scream playoff hockey and the ragdoll act the Ducks laid on him in 2015 should speak to that. Not sure what would be going on in our lineup for Enstrom to be playing RD?
  • Speaking like Chiarot is a better player then Buff basically invalidates every other opinion.
  • Buff some of the points I agree with but they are wrapped in such disdain for the player that it makes it seem biased and that ZERO of the positive Buff attributes count at all.
  • Little's game has steadily been improving all season
  • Barring injuries there is no room for Armia in a "top 6". Once the Jets are fully healthy and IF the add a rental he could be part of the shut down line or the 3rd scoring line.
  • Hendricks could hurt the team if he is keeping a better player off the ice. Health and p/ups will determine that.
  • Matthias... mistake free... alrighty then.
 

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cool........bullet holes

Decent assessment actually. Don't agree with everything but I never do.
 
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  • Mason contract was intentionally timed to coincide with Comrie's waiver status.
  • Trouba has been playing more the Buff on several nights
  • Myers season and games haven't all been rosey. He has huge swings from good to bad. Plenty of games where he failed multiple times to clear a puck or complete a pass. Other games where his skating has terrorized teams.
  • Enstrom playoff value? Huh? Enstrom's style doesn't really scream playoff hockey and the ragdoll act the Ducks laid on him in 2015 should speak to that. Not sure what would be going on in our lineup for Enstrom to be playing RD?
  • Speaking like Chiarot is a better player then Buff basically invalidates every other opinion.
  • Buff some of the points I agree with but they are wrapped in such disdain for the player that it makes it seem biased and that ZERO of the positive Buff attributes count at all.
  • Little's game has steadily been improving all season
  • Barring injuries there is no room for Armia in a "top 6". Once the Jets are fully healthy and IF the add a rental he could be part of the shut down line or the 3rd scoring line.
  • Hendricks could hurt the team if he is keeping a better player off the ice. Health and p/ups will determine that.
  • Matthias... mistake free... alrighty then.
Matthias isn't good enuff to even get into a position to make a mistake. Not sure why he's evn in the NHL.
 

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  • Mason contract was intentionally timed to coincide with Comrie's waiver status.
  • Trouba has been playing more the Buff on several nights
  • Myers season and games haven't all been rosey. He has huge swings from good to bad. Plenty of games where he failed multiple times to clear a puck or complete a pass. Other games where his skating has terrorized teams.
  • Enstrom playoff value? Huh? Enstrom's style doesn't really scream playoff hockey and the ragdoll act the Ducks laid on him in 2015 should speak to that. Not sure what would be going on in our lineup for Enstrom to be playing RD?
  • Speaking like Chiarot is a better player then Buff basically invalidates every other opinion.
  • Buff some of the points I agree with but they are wrapped in such disdain for the player that it makes it seem biased and that ZERO of the positive Buff attributes count at all.
  • Little's game has steadily been improving all season
  • Barring injuries there is no room for Armia in a "top 6". Once the Jets are fully healthy and IF the add a rental he could be part of the shut down line or the 3rd scoring line.
  • Hendricks could hurt the team if he is keeping a better player off the ice. Health and p/ups will determine that.
  • Matthias... mistake free... alrighty then.
Trouba might have more minutes, but when Jets are up/down a goal with 2 minutes left in game Buff stays on ice no matter what. And if we are up a goal he will make something to create opponent scoring changes.
 

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Its also funny how those late stages in game Buff usually pairs with Myers who is placed on left-D and he has troubles playing that side. Why Buff is not the one on LD, he is used to be all over the place.

You can blame me rest of my life for blaming Buff, but I will never understand player who makes me say: Where is he/Where is he going on almost every shift. Every young defenseman will have to learn that doing less is more to play in NHL.

With Enstrom on RD I did not mean regular job, but during injuries that occur during games. I have not seen Enstrom in playoffs, and I sure believe that his size (lack of it) can be negative factor. Unless we see his mean streak :eek::eek::eek::laugh:

About Matthias, my point is with that mistake free player that without puck he does not make mistakes. Last season he was good on cycles, he can kill penalties. By no means I think that with the puck he does all the right things (sometimes when he just dumps it in is right choice) Another point is that literally value for him in TD is almost zero.

Myers have right kind of head over his shoulders, he will definitely know about his mistakes and will work on those.
 

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Anybody worried about the fact that Hutcinson might play soon, last season he cost us many games. Hope good season in AHL has made him better for NHL
 

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Buff is a polarizing figure to say the least. I didn’t care for his first two games back from injury ...his comments or play.
He’s very competitive and can really drive play when HE wants which is a concern of mine.
Buff marches to the beat of his own drum and if we are ultimately going to he successful then we need him to be dominant.
He’s a net positive and the most entertaining Jet when he is on.
I do wish he was on more.
 
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Trouba might have more minutes, but when Jets are up/down a goal with 2 minutes left in game Buff stays on ice no matter what. And if we are up a goal he will make something to create opponent scoring changes.

Maurice has cut down Buff's ice time significantly in several recent games.
Morrissey / Trouba have been taking the tough matchups.
One of Buff's strength is getting the puck out of our zone and into the other teams end.
He makes some pretty strange choices but a glaring mistake or two usually stick out way more then dozens of good plays that he makes.

I certainly can and have complained about Buff... but you do it so much there really isn't a need for anyone else to do it.
 

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over the short term if the Jets don't $%@# the bed I think he would do very well.
Confidence may have been the biggest issue with Hutch.
Hopefully the chip on his shoulder and the instinct to save his NHL career will give is a good back up goalie.
 
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Zhamnov5GoalGame

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With Enstrom on RD I did not mean regular job, but during injuries that occur during games. I have not seen Enstrom in playoffs, and I sure believe that his size (lack of it) can be negative factor. Unless we see his mean streak :eek::eek::eek::laugh:

The Ducks picked on Enstrom a lot.
He literally was thrown down like a small child on a few plays with one hand that directly led to goals against.
This is also 3 years ago when he was faster and better.
Kind of scary to think what 2018 Enstrom will look like in the playoffs...
 

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The Ducks picked on Enstrom a lot.
He literally was thrown down like a small child on a few plays with one hand that directly led to goals against.
This is also 3 years ago when he was faster and better.
Kind of scary to think what 2018 Enstrom will look like in the playoffs...
Also when he was our best LD so now he will hopefully have easier matchups then, then.
 

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Buff sometimes gets puck to opponents end for opponent to have full control of it, with Buff himself out of position. Its much more important to be able to give short pass in own zone to a center who has both wingers at same pace on each side.

Loooooooooooong week of no games is over and Jets against Flames and buff starts soon!!!
 
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