Prospect Info: Jesperi Kotkaniemi

[Habs Halifax]

It's useless when you don't bring in all the other qualities/attributes of that player.

Again, my point was that you can have big players that are soft and small players that are tough.

Sure, I think we all understand that. But what happens when Gallagher meets up with Tavares?

 

[JeffreyLFC]

That doesn't really like... have anything to do with what youre saying though.

Thornton came in at 6 foot 4 and 195 pounds
Bergeron was 6 and 170 pounds
Tarasenko was 5'11 and 185
Kuzy was 5 10 and 170

It doesnt really matter, men dont stop growing at 17.

Mark Scheifele was 6'1.75 182. He is often refered here to be at a similar development path as Kotkaniemi. Pretty sure Jeff Carter and Eric Staal were also drafted at around 6'3 and 180.

 

[HOPE]

At the combine those guys weighed in at an average of 206lbs. That’s about 20 lbs heavier than Kotka came in at.

Lmao weight as to be the most overrated stats in hockey, it’s beyond me, more muscle or bigger doesn’t stronger and most of the time it means slower. A player is should only work on strenght training and slowing get bigger as he mature than just doing hypertrophy for the sake of it! Mcdavid is a f***ing twig, will leave this here.

 

[Belial]

Sure, I think we all understand that. But what happens when Gallagher meets up with Tavares?

First of all, that's a weird example as they will probably meet extremely rare in a game...

Gallagher usually battles against much bigger defensemen out there and somehow manages to do quite well even if he's small... And that's exactly my point.

I don't think anyone would ever call Gallagher soft even if he's small...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lmao weight as to be the most overrated stats in hockey, it’s beyond me, more muscle or bigger doesn’t stronger and most of the time it means slower. A player is should only work on strenght training and slowing get bigger as he mature than just doing hypertrophy for the sake of it! Mcdavid is a ****ing twig, will leave this here.

But Kotkaniemi does not skate like McDavid. It's a measure of what a prospect needs to work at if he wants to be successful. Kotkaniemi is modeling his game after Barkov, not McDavid.

Do you think Kotkaniemi can play like Barkov if he stays his same size? I seriously doubt that Kotkaniemi and Poehling think weight is a not factor. Poehling alone gained 15 pounds and his results from his 1st and 2nd year in the NCAA were night and day. He himself said his extra weight and strength helped him have a good year.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Well the seeds have been sewn

When Julien and MB throw Kotkaniemi on the wing for three seasons to develop him and then never successfully move him to C, the defenders will always have this moment to point to

"Well his coach put him on LW of Koivu in a charity game. If they couldn't trust him at C in a meaningless game then how could we trust him there at the NHL level?!"

 

[Habs Halifax]

First of all, that's a weird example as they will probably meet extremely rare in a game...

Gallagher usually battles against much bigger defensemen out there and somehow manages to do quite well even if he's small... And that's exactly my point.

I don't think anyone would ever call Gallagher soft even if he's small...

Agreed. But it's measuring apples to apples but one apple is bigger than the other . I'm not comparing a big orange (patch) to a small apple (Gallagher)

 

[Belial]

Agreed. But it's measuring apples to apples but one apple is bigger than the other . I'm not comparing a big orange (patch) to a small apple (Gallagher)

I don't even think Max is as soft as people think around here, to be honest, it often depends on the style of your play IMO.

Gallagher is a net crasher and he was a net crasher for his entire career... Of course, he will always be in the action and tagged as a hard worker and stuff... But Pacioretty is tagged as a floater while he always tries to get open for a decent shot opening...

 

[HOPE]

But Kotkaniemi does not skate like McDavid. It's a measure of what a prospect needs to work at if he wants to be successful. Kotkaniemi is modeling his game after Barkov, not McDavid.

Do you think Kotkaniemi can play like Barkov if he stays his same size? I seriously doubt that Kotkaniemi and Poehling think weight is a not factor. Poehling alone gained 15 pounds and his results from his 1st and 2nd year in the NCAA were night and day. He himself said his extra weight and strength helped him have a good year.

Kotkaniemi shouldn’t mold in any player, he should pick his own best attributes and be the best player he can be. Lets be real no one skates like mcdavid also kotkaniemis skating issues is overblowed, he has good speed just wierd looking stride wich can be very easily fixed, his real issue is his balance and lower body strenght! Getting bigger doesn’t solve, getting stronger does. Getting stronger while very slowly gaining weight will make his skating better and will overall perform better in my opinion. Like i said, mcdavid is a twig, he’s still very strong on the puck in one va one battle!

 

[WeThreeKings]

so... what does that have to do with anything ?

What DGS wants you to do is make no negative claims about Poehling (because he's big and American) because his upside is limitless and no one should ever dare limit it.

While you cannot make any positive claims about Kotkaniemi (funny name and European) because his upside is limited and no one should dare accept he has more physical growth to come.

 

[xNogaitx]

So he's at 1G + 4A in 4 games so far with Assat. (Tied for the league lead in the Liiga.)

Am I the only one thinking that with his pre-season underway, he'll come in at the Habs camp and likely blow everyone out of the water?

I hope they make the smart move in sending him back after 9 games, but I have doubts they will.

 

[Habs]

Lmao weight as to be the most overrated stats in hockey, it’s beyond me, more muscle or bigger doesn’t stronger and most of the time it means slower. A player is should only work on strenght training and slowing get bigger as he mature than just doing hypertrophy for the sake of it! Mcdavid is a ****ing twig, will leave this here.

McLegend isn't a twig, not even close.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

We'll get an updated weight at training camp. What do you think he'll weigh?

Who knows. My point isn’t that we can’t just assume he ends up a 220 lbs beast.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

What DGS wants you to do is make no negative claims about Poehling (because he's big and American) because his upside is limitless and no one should ever dare limit it.

While you cannot make any positive claims about Kotkaniemi (funny name and European) because his upside is limited and no one should dare accept he has more physical growth to come.

LMAO dude you are so blind.

 

[Belial]

So he's at 1G + 4A in 4 games so far with Assat. (Tied for the league lead in the Liiga.)

Am I the only one thinking that with his pre-season underway, he'll come in at the Habs camp and likely blow everyone out of the water?

I hope they make the smart move in sending him back after 9 games, but I have doubts they will.

No way he makes the team, we already have too many bodies.

He will get sent back to Finland.

 

[DAChampion]

Let's play up drama between Kotkaniemi and Poehling.

You're only allowed to like one player.

 

[xNogaitx]

No way he makes the team, we already have too many bodies.

He will get sent back to Finland.

Let's hope so.

I'm just thinking that he may take advantage of the fact that some of the other guys will be slightly rusty from having the summer off which will give him a good start to the camp.

 

[Belial]

Let's play up drama between Kotkaniemi and Poehling.

You're only allowed to like one player.

Poehling is clearly ahead of Kotka when it comes to NHL readiness...

 

[xNogaitx]

Let's play up drama between Kotkaniemi and Poehling.

You're only allowed to like one player.

The drama should be what will the Habs do with Danault if they both pan out and one of DLR/Peca/Vedjemo/Another of the gadzillion Cs they just drafted/Hughes next year come in as well.

1) Hughes / Kotkaniemi
2) Hughes / Kotkaniemi
3) Poehling
4) Vedjemo
Extra) DLR

 

[Belial]

Let's hope so.

I'm just thinking that he may take advantage of the fact that some of the other guys will be slightly rusty from having the summer off which will give him a good start to the camp.

Even if he impresses I still think he will get cut, all this Bergevin trying to save his job is complete BS for me. His moves are not suggesting this at all...

 

[Tyson]

While time will tell about wether this was the right pick at #3, I maintain that he was not the best player available at that spot and it won’t take long for this to become obvious.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The drama should be what will the Habs do with Danault if they both pan out and one of DLR/Peca/Vedjemo/Another of the gadzillion Cs they just drafted/Hughes next year come in as well.

1) Hughes / Kotkaniemi
2) Hughes / Kotkaniemi
3) Poehling
4) Vedjemo
Extra) DLR

It's the Habs:

Hughes-Danault-Gallagher
Kotkaniemi-Plekanec-Domi
Poehling-Drouin-Lehkonen
Olofsson-DLR-Deslauriers

 

[NotProkofievian]

Who knows. My point isn’t that we can’t just assume he ends up a 220 lbs beast.

Over/under 190.5, whatchoo got?

 

[DAChampion]

Poehling is clearly ahead of Kotka when it comes to NHL readiness...

I was goofing off with that post.

 

[Belial]

While time will tell about wether this was the right pick at #3, I maintain that he was not the best player available at that spot and it won’t take long for this to become obvious.

But you're actually contradicting yourself in your post... Time will tell or it won't take long? Decide yourself...