Kojo
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They better write him a check before he has a breakout year.
Yeah a hard shot is useless if he telegraphs it 5 seconds before shooting. He needs to adapt and learn to snap it.
Everything that holds him back amounts to his lack in motricity. He seems like a good kid who wants to do well, but I feel like he doesn't realize just how much work he needs.
interesting take...
how do you define Caufield's shot? is it also "useless"?
JKO scored more than Caufield in the playoffs (without any time next to talented offensive linemates like Suzuki/Toffoli) and, more importantly, doubled him up in shooting %...
would seem that, in albeit a small sample size of 20 games (though 20 games in the most important/difficult/high pressure hockey performance environment), JKO was better than Caufield at adapting his shooting to the requirements of scoring...
Now, i'm certainly not arguing that JKO has a better shot than Caufield... merely pointing out, yet again, how so many of the emotional takes in this thread are either disconnected from reality, or applied completly inconsistently across player evaluations.
JKO's shooting ability is an interesting question point... through 3 seasons at the nhl level, he's struggled in the regular season (8% on 280 shots), but absolutely excelled in the post season (23% on 40 shots).
thing is, both the high and low end of his shooting efficacy are actually quite positive indicators IF WE ACCEPT THE CONTEXT.
for players with at least 100 NHL games:
of 2016 draft picks, only 14 fwds have a better than 8% (6-7 C's)
of 2017, only 10 (7-8 C's)
of his draft year, 2018, only 3 (none of them Centres)
of 2019 *50 game threshold*, only 1, not a C
So, if we're looking at JKO's shooting effectiveness as an NHL player... i fail to see how the assessment could be anything other than... he's doing pretty damn good. Regular season is on par with top players his age from the past few draft years. Post-season, while smaller in sample, puts him at an "all time" effectiveness level and comfortably ahead of our future sniper, Caufield.
his shooting, it appears, is yet another area where his actual performance leaves only reason for optimism, and yet, some look to make up critical/questioning narratives about it.
very curious process. what exactly is it about the player that makes so many posters "feel" these things that are so disconnected from reality???
You’d maybe have a semblance of a point if his playoff goals were wrist shots, but the vast majority are him crashing the net. He has an unsustainable 23% shooting percentage in the playoffs.
scoring goals is what matters. Wrist shot, slap shot, snap shot, deflection, backhand et. et. is completely irrelevant. Can the player score, that's what matters.
JKO has, both regular season and post season, at a rate that puts him among the top of his respective age demographic. If he maintains that relative impact, he's a top tier player in the NHL. That's, context-wise, what he's been thus far.
In the past decade, no forward in the NHL has had anything close to a 23% shooting percentage... so again, i wonder how well you ground your takes in the reality of the NHL? I would've thought it obvious that a 20+% shooting percentage was a massive outlier.... and i specifically identified the small sample size.
the point, which remains, is that your criticism seems both inconsistent and completely absent of reasonable context.
you also didn't answer the simple question...
do you also feel or definee Caufield's shot as "useless"?
I said his release is slow. You’re denying that by making senseless arguments. “It doesn’t matter how the puck goes in”. That’s not the argument. The argument is the release on his wrist shot is slow. What the f*** are you even attempting to say?
Slow relative to what exactly?
and who cares how "slow" you think it is, the only relevant information is wether or not it works for him to score NHL goals, which he does, at a rate that places him amongst the best of his class, and other comparable age-demographics. In the post-season, where scoring matters the most and is the most difficult, his effectiveness is off the charts.
Your argument is baseless, ungrounded, and flat out irrelevent. I simply tried to give you an opportunity to adjust it... instead you choose to double down on a piss poor take... to each their own.
Right my take is piss poor. Not the one where you say he’s a “top tier NHLer”
is your reading comprehension that poor?
"relative". that means: "in relation or proportion to something else".
In this case, to players of the same draft class and to players in a similar period of time compared to their draft year.
my apologies for not providing a dictionary definition for every simple word i used in my post.
Right my take is piss poor. Not the one where you say he’s a “top tier NHLer”
Yeah he’s an elite goal scorer man. 11 goals in his last 92 games. I’m waiting for the Rocket Richard win this season.
Oh wait just double checked. He didn’t score a goal in his final 18 regular season games in his rookie season. So that’s 11 goals in his last 110 regular season games.
how many players have won the rocket richard trophy in the past decade?
news flash, JKO will likely never win that award. if that is the standard you were using to suggest JKO's shot is "useless", than I 100% agree.
I guess that means you also think Caufield, Toffoli, and every NHLer not named Ovie are also useless shooters
FYI, JKO is 4th in regular season goals of players drafted in his year. 1st among centres.
He's tied for 3rd if you count ALL nhl goals.
So i guess the 2018 draft just had a bunch of terrible shooters, eh?
Lol relative to his draft year? Yeah he has a lot of goals compared to his peers who have a fraction of his games played. It’s easy to compare him to to someone with 20 NHL games. Congrats to him. 11 goals last 110 regular season games. #elite
Look whose reading comprehension is a work in progress now. If that is what you deduce from what I said, then all the power to you. A pointless endeavour.
I’m waiting for the Rocket Richard win this season.
Yeah sure if accuracy and release count for nothing.Le Canadien sent que Jesperi Kotkaniemi a l’un des trois meilleurs tirs du club
No doubt, he have very great shot. If he improve his decision making and shot at the right time.
2 years, at 2.4M per.....pure guess on my part...Montreal will sign Kotkaniemi 3 years 8.700,000 ( 2.900,000 per )
Turns out the season hasn't started yet so there's plenty of time to sign him.No contract?
MB hasn't often been the dude to gamble on a player but KK might be the kind of guy you go for that longer term deal with AAV that seems very expensive now but will be a steal if he breaks outThey better write him a check before he has a breakout year.
His 4th year will be telling and it won't be in a good way.
Yeah a hard shot is useless if he telegraphs it 5 seconds before shooting. He needs to adapt and learn to snap it.
I don't see why they wouldn't, he's improved on the faceoff dot too. Giving extra responsibilities would go a long way in boosting his confidence. With Danault gone and Byron injured, he'll probably get a look.I wonder if it would be good for Kotkaniemi's development to get a bit of PK time next year.
Le Canadien sent que Jesperi Kotkaniemi a l’un des trois meilleurs tirs du club
No doubt, he have very great shot. If he improve his decision making and shot at the right time.
The organization believes KK has one of the best shots on the team.so no one knows what was said in this article? i don't do duh fransays