He's getting traded.Hope he gets his bridge deal soon because the longer he is without a deal signals greater possibility of a trade.
Do either of Toronto, Vegas or Winnipeg have anything we want and they would be willing to give up?He's getting traded.
He's getting traded.
Gotta stop looking at being drafted third overall. Draft doesn’t mean much. He has the physical make up of being a solid two way center man who can hit. Also likes to show up for playoffs. Who doesn’t want that on their team?
Too much contradiction in your response. You write no doubt about his potential and you write about we are gambling on the potential. Sorry but it's hard to understand, lol.
Second quote : Now being good defensivly, being a #3 C (then who is #2 C?)
and Danault have nothing to do with what you said means Danault wasn't the defensive C with the team? Did he or not took defensive duty vs Matthews and Connor? So now I guess it will be KK duty if he is our #3 C? Or it will be Evans or Perrault? Or Poehling? Or Paquette?
Does anyone (and including Ducharme) knows who will shut down the best C of the other teams?
Now you seem to say it's gonna be KK because "KK is good defensively" to quote you.
But this thread is full of comments like "KK have to built more muscles in the lower body and improve", etc.
It's too much gamble for saying he deserve a 4M for 6 years. Danault (sorry I have to bring him once again in the discussion) had 3M per year for being a defensive center and was used as a first center by his coaches and was the center of the best line for about 3 years. On a team that didn't made the PO but we have to point out the other lines if you ask me.@Catanddogguitarrr
There is not a contradiction, I believe in KK's potential to become a #2C, but I can't see in the future; therefore it's a gamble until he reaches that potential. For all we know, he can end up exceeding our expectations and be a #1C or only improve a bit for the next 2-3 years and be a good #3C...
That's in the worst-case scenario, if KK is not our #2C, we are in deep shit, but at 4M/year and knowing that he's already an adequate #3C, we can reasonably expect from him to be at least a good #3C.
Danault has nothing to do with what I said, because I'm talking about KK's contract and you are bringing Danault for no reason. Next year KK will most likely play as our #2C, he should be able to showcase his offensive talent.
You are thinking too much, you are complicating things. You are confusing me.
I only talked about signing KK to a contract around 4M for 6 years, because it can be a good gamble for the future. Knowing that he's already an adequate #3C, and that #3C are paid around that kind of money, the risk is pretty low.
Wouldn’t be the end of the world. Way better players have been tradedHope he gets his bridge deal soon because the longer he is without a deal signals greater possibility of a trade.
If kotkaniemi gets 4 million Suzuki and his agent are salivating. They will have Bergevin over a barrel with his pants down. Be prepared to give Suzuki 8 million of you give kotkaniemi 4@Catanddogguitarrr
There is not a contradiction, I believe in KK's potential to become a #2C, but I can't see in the future; therefore it's a gamble until he reaches that potential. For all we know, he can end up exceeding our expectations and be a #1C or only improve a bit for the next 2-3 years and be a good #3C...
That's in the worst-case scenario, if KK is not our #2C, we are in deep shit, but at 4M/year and knowing that he's already an adequate #3C, we can reasonably expect from him to be at least a good #3C.
Danault has nothing to do with what I said, because I'm talking about KK's contract and you are bringing Danault for no reason. Next year KK will most likely play as our #2C, he should be able to showcase his offensive talent.
You are thinking too much, you are complicating things. You are confusing me.
I only talked about signing KK to a contract around 4M for 6 years, because it can be a good gamble for the future. Knowing that he's already an adequate #3C, and that #3C are paid around that kind of money, the risk is pretty low.
If kotkaniemi gets 4 million Suzuki and his agent are salivating. They will have Bergevin over a barrel with his pants down. Be prepared to give Suzuki 8 million of you give kotkaniemi 4
The other thread is closed so I will answer here. First, there seems that you got me wrong on a few points.Loot at every team and after tell me if Evans is better than their #2 center. Do you really think Evans is a good #2 center around the league or you're an enthousiast Habs fan? I like the part when you mention it's not the ideal situation. Being that said, now Evans is ahead of Kotkaniemi? This is confusing and needs to be debated. And do you think Evans have serious head concussion history that might limit his ice time?
Galchenyuk becoming a bust is all on him, we saw it and every team he played for after that saw it...before he becomes the new Galchenyuk. This I am quite afraid of. Another sabotaged talent.
Sure but don’t be giving kotkaniemi 4 million for potential. He will be lucky to get 2.2 And really that’s a lotSuzuki has already the arguments to ask for 7M+, with the kind of money we gave to Anderson, Gallagher, Drouin...
You mention players who are overpaid except Anderson. It should not work this way because the cap will bust pretty soon. You are trying to justify your argument KK should be paid 4M for 6 years. Try to stay on this argument and defend it. And some posters on this board says KK should be traded. There is an huge difference on opinions and obviously you are on one extreme of KK's evaluation.Suzuki has already the arguments to ask for 7M+, with the kind of money we gave to Anderson, Gallagher, Drouin...
Apparently it’s all the habs fault when a player busts. Not the player. Funny no one gives credit to tbe organization for players like Gallagher, price . Subban or Pacioretty. it’s the same rhetoric, the habs ruined galchenyuk. Sure…Galchenyuk becoming a bust is all on him, we saw it and every team he played for after that saw it
it’s not just putting the puck in the net, there’s things you can get away with in the minors but not in the NHL
I don’t have a problem blaming the organization with their decisions sometimes but this time Galchenyuk didn’t wanna put in the work
You’re still being very generous. He hasn’t signed yet because Bergevin isn’t in a hurry. 3 million is still too much for this guy at the momentYou mention players who are overpaid except Anderson. It should not work this way because the cap will bust pretty soon. You are trying to justify your argument KK should be paid 4M for 6 years. Try to stay on this argument and defend it. And some posters on this board says KK should be traded. There is an huge difference on opinions and obviously you are on one extreme of KK's evaluation.
I would go 3M for 3 years, more or less. KK needs a brigde contract, not the full one, not yet.
Sure but don’t be giving kotkaniemi 4 million for potential. He will be lucky to get 2.2 And really that’s a lot
He’s proven nothing to get 3 million or more. 2 years 5 million the max. He’s not even a.5 ppg player. He’s not getting anywhere near 4 million. He’s not a UFA. He has no leverage whatsoever2.2M a lot ? Do you think he's a 4th liner and that he will remain one ?
I've said this so many times. No amount of coaching or "development" was going to make AG smarter, faster, or improve his piss-poor attitude and entitlement.Galchenyuk becoming a bust is all on him, we saw it and every team he played for after that saw it
it’s not just putting the puck in the net, there’s things you can get away with in the minors but not in the NHL
I don’t have a problem blaming the organization with their decisions sometimes but this time Galchenyuk didn’t wanna put in the work
You mention players who are overpaid except Anderson. It should not work this way because the cap will bust pretty soon.
You are trying to justify your argument KK should be paid 4M for 6 years. Try to stay on this argument and defend it.
And some posters on this board says KK should be traded. There is an huge difference on opinions and obviously you are on one extreme of KK's evaluation.
I would go 3M for 3 years, more or less. KK needs a brigde contract, not the full one, not yet.
He’s proven nothing to get 3 million or more. 2 years 5 million the max. He’s not even a.5 ppg player. He’s not getting anywhere near 4 million. He’s not a UFA. He has no leverage whatsoever