Player Discussion Jake Virtanen | Jake It Or Break It Edition

[F A N]

except for the one line you have focused on, it doesn't really change the rest of my post regardless - but you didnt address anything else. was stick handling one of his major weaknesses anyways?

You're funny. Why would I address something that you didn't ask? You asked about his skating not stick handling. Do you not read what you wrote? But since you asked now, his stick handling and cycling skills need to improve yes.

it doesn;t change the fact that a 5 second clip is no indication that he is working hard. (he's obviously going to be working with a trainer or coach in the summer at times. high school athletes do that and post little videos of themselves doing drills. He looks great in the drill - but it's not an indication that he's working hard.

You do realize you quoted my post where I mentioned how Ferraro talked about Virtanen putting in the work after hours in Utica right? I did say it's all about context? If you're going to take things out of context and just look at that video alone then yes it's not a shocker that you think the way you do.

 

[DL44]

So this is where we are....

The main negative thing I was pointing out was that I didn't see this video as confirmation he has turned the corner or 'gets it' as a pro.

Ummmm... so this is where we are at, eh...


The story of Virtanen hooking up with a skills coach a mere week or two or three into a FIVE month off season to work on his hands and fine skill is still not a sign for the that he gets gets it, and is self aware enough to know what he needs to do... alright.

We'll just agree to disagree.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

So this is where we are....



Ummmm... so this is where we are at, eh...


The story of Virtanen hooking up with a skills coach a mere week or two or three into a FIVE month off season to work on his hands and fine skill is still not a sign for the that he gets gets it, and is self aware enough to know what he needs to do... alright.

We'll just agree to disagree.

I'll agree to agree.

 

[Pavel96]

You're funny. Why would I address something that you didn't ask? You asked about his skating not stick handling. Do you not read what you wrote? But since you asked now, his stick handling and cycling skills need to improve yes.



You do realize you quoted my post where I mentioned how Ferraro talked about Virtanen putting in the work after hours in Utica right? I did say it's all about context? If you're going to take things out of context and just look at that video alone then yes it's not a shocker that you think the way you do.

lol you are funny too. Lets focus on minute details of language as to prove a point i guess when that's clearly not what we are here to do. I was asking a rehtorical question about his skating- Obviously his skating was cited as one of his strengths and was not something that needed to be worked on. If that was a stick handling drill - I appreciate you pointing that out lol my mistake. And to take this further - I then asked if his stick handling was a "major weakness" that is a vast difference from if he needs to improve it lol. A case could be made everyone needs to improve at everything - but not everything is a major weakness of a player. Did you not read what I wrote? It works both ways?

And actually I didn't realize your post was more speaking solely about Ferraro's statement of his work back in Utica as it was in response to someone talking about this video. But you did clearly mention it. So you were citing some info about Virtanen from over a year ago when he played in Utica? That wasn't even last season lol. Then you brought up Horvats skating coach (again similar to this video). Then you referenced people wondering if he was fat all summer. You seemed to be all over the place your self a bit? Then you finish your post with "sounds like he is working hard". There is a recent video posted above and you are going to say "sounds like he is working hard" about something he did 1.5 years ago? Great lol - now that's funny.

 

[Pavel96]

So this is where we are....



Ummmm... so this is where we are at, eh...


The story of Virtanen hooking up with a skills coach a mere week or two or three into a FIVE month off season to work on his hands and fine skill is still not a sign for the that he gets gets it, and is self aware enough to know what he needs to do... alright.

We'll just agree to disagree.

Ummmmm.....what? can you try another edit? Ah nevermind you meant "not a sign for you that he gets it".

It definitely could be a positive sign why not? Again it's better than him posting a video downing beers at the Cactus club. But as I said the mere fact he is working with a skills coach doesn't prove anything (as pretty much every player should be - especially one who has severely under performed based on draft expectations).

Isn't it possible for players who don't get it, to work with a skills coach? Maybe we will see if he has finally got it when he starts producing like the player the Canucks thought they were drafting?

If the comment had been - oh wow - his stick handling looks better in the video, next year that should allow him to bla bla bla- what could I say? (I don't know much about stick handling clearly). But to look at that video and say "he get's it" I just don't think so.

 

[drax0s]

Isn't it possible for players who don't get it, to work with a skills coach? Maybe we will see if he has finally got it when he starts producing like the player the Canucks thought they were drafting?

If the comment had been - oh wow - his stick handling looks better in the video, next year that should allow him to bla bla bla- what could I say? (I don't know much about stick handling clearly). But to look at that video and say "he get's it" I just don't think so.

I have a friend who works out where Jake trains and he's definitely going hard and putting in the work lately. Apparently he has been doing so for the last year or so, working big time on conditioning and skills work. I know for sure I saw it start to show dividends end of last year.

He definitely seems to be taking things seriously as a pro.

 

[F A N]

lol you are funny too. Lets focus on minute details of language as to prove a point i guess when that's clearly not what we are here to do. I was asking a rehtorical question about his skating- Obviously his skating was cited as one of his strengths and was not something that needed to be worked on. If that was a stick handling drill - I appreciate you pointing that out lol my mistake.

Umm... did you watch that video and thought it was a skating drill? The guy Virtanen is training with markets himself as a stickhandling specialist. The poster who posted the video talked about stick angles. Rhetorical question or not, can you not see how your question makes no sense in the context of what is being discussed?

And to take this further - I then asked if his stick handling was a "major weakness" that is a vast difference from if he needs to improve it lol. A case could be made everyone needs to improve at everything - but not everything is a major weakness of a player. Did you not read what I wrote? It works both ways?

So you expect posters here to answer what you call your rhetorical questions with a yes or no answer here on hfboards?

But sure, there is a difference. I don't think his stick handling is a "major weakness." I think its something he should improve on especially his ability to make plays down low.

And actually I didn't realize your post was more speaking solely about Ferraro's statement of his work back in Utica as it was in response to someone talking about this video. But you did clearly mention it. So you were citing some info about Virtanen from over a year ago when he played in Utica? That wasn't even last season lol. Then you brought up Horvats skating coach (again similar to this video). Then you referenced people wondering if he was fat all summer. You seemed to be all over the place your self a bit? Then you finish your post with "sounds like he is working hard". There is a recent video posted above and you are going to say "sounds like he is working hard" about something he did 1.5 years ago? Great lol - now that's funny.

Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension and ability to follow the discussion. The post you quoted me started off with me saying "It's all about context." Then I listed the context which was Ferraro saying that Virtanen put a lot of work in after hours in Utica. Prior to that (and more immediately after the posting of the video) I agreed with Pastor of Muppetz posts that in the last two years Virtanen has demonstrated that he's committed to improving his craft.

I feel the discussion was logical all along until you decided to post. I take no issue if there is a specific point you are replying to in my post. I do that all the time. But that's not what you are doing. Again, I specifically said it's all about context and in the context of Virtanen having put in after hours work in Utica, among other things, that video supports the notion that Virtanen is working hard to improve his game.

Really don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

 

[Pavel96]

Umm... did you watch that video and thought it was a skating drill? The guy Virtanen is training with markets himself as a stickhandling specialist. The poster who posted the video talked about stick angles. Rhetorical question or not, can you not see how your question makes no sense in the context of what is being discussed?



So you expect posters here to answer what you call your rhetorical questions with a yes or no answer here on hfboards?

But sure, there is a difference. I don't think his stick handling is a "major weakness." I think its something he should improve on especially his ability to make plays down low.



Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension and ability to follow the discussion. The post you quoted me started off with me saying "It's all about context." Then I listed the context which was Ferraro saying that Virtanen put a lot of work in after hours in Utica. Prior to that (and more immediately after the posting of the video) I agreed with Pastor of Muppetz posts that in the last two years Virtanen has demonstrated that he's committed to improving his craft.

I feel the discussion was logical all along until you decided to post. I take no issue if there is a specific point you are replying to in my post. I do that all the time. But that's not what you are doing. Again, I specifically said it's all about context and in the context of Virtanen having put in after hours work in Utica, among other things, that video supports the notion that Virtanen is working hard to improve his game.

Really don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

Lol you don't expect an answer from a rhetorical question, pretty much lost me there - that is hard to understand you are right lol. And yes I can see how you would be confused by that as I admit in my last post it was a mistake. My point was a 5 second clip of him working with any skills coach (i mistook it for skating but it was stick handling lol okay I get it) is a normal thing and not an indication of him turning the corner. Especially if it is not even an area of glaring weakness. But just keep going on about this if it's better than actually talking about Jake?

In the context of something that happened two years ago, this 5 second video clip can reassure everyone that he is definitively working hard. - that's quite the stretch for your logic, but whatever. It's an incredibly weak poitn at best, but you can have it. Saying I need to work on my reading comprehension does't make that point valid - it just makes it more funny. Just a waste of time (arguing for the sake of arguing) - feel free to have the last word I'm done lol.

 

[Pavel96]

I have a friend who works out where Jake trains and he's definitely going hard and putting in the work lately. Apparently he has been doing so for the last year or so, working big time on conditioning and skills work. I know for sure I saw it start to show dividends end of last year.

He definitely seems to be taking things seriously as a pro.

That's good to hear. If someone is seeing him recently and repetitively in person for long periods working hard and making progress - that could definitely be a strong indication he has turned the corner.

 

[alternate]

So if puck possession below the faceoff circles, and puck handling in tight aren't what JV should be working on, what should he be doing?

Seems like this is the low hanging fruit now that conditioning seems to be addressed.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I have a friend who works out where Jake trains and he's definitely going hard and putting in the work lately. Apparently he has been doing so for the last year or so, working big time on conditioning and skills work. I know for sure I saw it start to show dividends end of last year.

He definitely seems to be taking things seriously as a pro.

Too bad there's no school for hockey IQ

 

[Serac]

I'd really like him to work on passing. Specifically passing while in stride. Saw multiple times in games where he created a bit of space for himself with his speed, but his passes were always off. If he could learn to recognize how hard he needs to pass, and get a general feel for where his teammates will be (as opposed to where they are) when he does pass, it could really help.

It's definitely easier said than done, but there are some fundamentals about passing to be taught and I think he would benefit. But I am a stickler for playmaking.

 

[F A N]

Lol you don't expect an answer from a rhetorical question, pretty much lost me there - that is hard to understand you are right lol.

Huh? WTF are you talking about?

And yes I can see how you would be confused by that as I admit in my last post it was a mistake.

Good. Try to write more clearly. Thanks.

My point was a 5 second clip of him working with any skills coach (i mistook it for skating but it was stick handling lol okay I get it) is a normal thing and not an indication of him turning the corner. Especially if it is not even an area of glaring weakness. But just keep going on about this if it's better than actually talking about Jake?

And everyone else who posted before you wasn't making the point that the video alone is the only evidence of him turning the corner. In fact, you replied to my post where I said Ferraro talked about how Jake returned to the area to work out after practices and games.

As for your point about "glaring weakness," stick handling, I think the majority here would say that improving his stick handling is high on Jake's to do list. If I am wrong, let's hear it from others.

In the context of something that happened two years ago, this 5 second video clip can reassure everyone that he is definitively working hard. - that's quite the stretch for your logic, but whatever.

I think you're the one who isn't following the logic here.

It's an incredibly weak poitn at best, but you can have it. Saying I need to work on my reading comprehension does't make that point valid - it just makes it more funny. Just a waste of time (arguing for the sake of arguing) - feel free to have the last word I'm done lol.

You're arguing that that video alone doesn't and or shouldn't reassure anyone here that Jake has turned the corner and is working hard. But if you have read and able to comprehend the discussion that was going on before you chose to post, you would have understood that nobody is arguing that that video alone shows or indicates that Virtanen had turned the corner or is working hard.

Saying you're done doesn't mean you are right you know.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Kids fast, shoots right in to the chest every time. Doesn’t hit. Doesn’t pass well. Scored 20 points after being a very high pick.


Time to move on from this fail. Admit we screwed up. Where does he get picked in a redraft? Nowhere near the 1st round.

 

[DL44]

I'm done lol.

Oh thank God...
You were on an island there.

 

[Cupless44]

Kids fast, shoots right in to the chest every time. Doesn’t hit. Doesn’t pass well. Scored 20 points after being a very high pick.


Time to move on from this fail. Admit we screwed up. Where does he get picked in a redraft? Nowhere near the 1st round.

Virtanen doesnt hit?

He led Canuck forwards in hits by a mile.

 

[BC Ben]

So should I trade him in my offense-only dynasty league or not? I don’t like doubles from any one squad and I have EP coming right away here... I’d keep both if they both project as points getters, but I still don’t see more than a 20-15-35 line from JV.

 

[Kryten]

So should I trade him in my offense-only dynasty league or not? I don’t like doubles from any one squad and I have EP coming right away here... I’d keep both if they both project as points getters, but I still don’t see more than a 20-15-35 line from JV.

Does your league have 100 or more teams in it? Im trying to figure out your original thought process here

 

[MS]

Kids fast, shoots right in to the chest every time. Doesn’t hit. Doesn’t pass well. Scored 20 points after being a very high pick.


Time to move on from this fail. Admit we screwed up. Where does he get picked in a redraft? Nowhere near the 1st round.

20 ES points is excellent production given his usage/role and salary.

 

[sting101]

I would look at David Booths career scoring peaks as a model for Jake. Of course I throw out the injury yrs and I doubt he ever gets to 60 with guys like Pettersson Boeser Dahlen and Horvat already in the system. Basically 40-50 pts completely healthy

 

[Pavel96]

Oh thank God...
You were on an island there.

Haha glad you are so relieved about someone posting on an online forum. Drama much?

Lol and an island? One person liked my original post and then there are the two of you on the other side, all worked into a tizzy because I said a 5 second clip isn't an indication of much. The fact people can be so triggered and have to rush to defend this prospect by attacking everything in a post besides the main point of it - is an indication of how where is career is at. Anything like that in the Petterson or Boeser thread would have just been ignored or at the most simple laughed at lol. It's absolutely comical how worked up things can get over a 5 second video clip. I would have kept it up, bc I have a valid point, but it's obviously just going to a place where messages will be deleted etc. It's a waste of time for everyone lol. But keep up silly comments like that if you are actually thankful its over right?

 

[Pavel96]

Huh? WTF are you talking about?



Good. Try to write more clearly. Thanks.



And everyone else who posted before you wasn't making the point that the video alone is the only evidence of him turning the corner. In fact, you replied to my post where I said Ferraro talked about how Jake returned to the area to work out after practices and games.

As for your point about "glaring weakness," stick handling, I think the majority here would say that improving his stick handling is high on Jake's to do list. If I am wrong, let's hear it from others.



I think you're the one who isn't following the logic here.



You're arguing that that video alone doesn't and or shouldn't reassure anyone here that Jake has turned the corner and is working hard. But if you have read and able to comprehend the discussion that was going on before you chose to post, you would have understood that nobody is arguing that that video alone shows or indicates that Virtanen had turned the corner or is working hard.

Saying you're done doesn't mean you are right you know.

hahah do you even know what a 'rhetorical question' is? I think you need a shoe horn...

 

[82Ninety42011]

I would look at David Booths career scoring peaks as a model for Jake. Of course I throw out the injury yrs and I doubt he ever gets to 60 with guys like Pettersson Boeser Dahlen and Horvat already in the system. Basically 40-50 pts completely healthy

If Jake starts hitting 40-50 points a year and keeps hitting I would be ecstatic that would be huge. We've got Horvat, Boeser and hopefully Pettersson to put up 70 plus points a season hopefully soon. Jake as a hard hitting 40-50 point guy could be a solid 2nd liner or stud on 3rd doing that.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Haha glad you are so relieved about someone posting on an online forum. Drama much?

Lol and an island? One person liked my original post and then there are the two of you on the other side, all worked into a tizzy because I said a 5 second clip isn't an indication of much. The fact people can be so triggered and have to rush to defend this prospect by attacking everything in a post besides the main point of it - is an indication of how where is career is at. Anything like that in the Petterson or Boeser thread would have just been ignored or at the most simple laughed at lol. It's absolutely comical how worked up you things can get over a 5 second video clip. Oh the righteousness lol. I would have kept it up but it's obviously just going to a place where messages will be deleted etc. It's a waste of time for everyone lol. But keep it up if you really are thankful its over right?

Please do keep it up.....keep going.

 

[Pavel96]

Please do keep it up.....keep going.

Lol I edited that out but you got it! Boy you are quick lol busy day? Or I know - you must follow me - thanks